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Good job japan, corporations should not be allowed to lock you out of using competition on a device you own.
Tell them to ask the same from Nintendo or Sony, lol
Apple: 'Mobile platform? Nah this is just a game console' winks at Nintendo and Sony
Japan: Checkmate
:: Reveals 10X more laws regulating game consoles ::
How so? Honest question, I can't seem to find anything that is not super pro-corporations like the prohibition on modding consoles with tens of thousands dollar fines or even prison sentences...
haha no source, just a dumb joke.
I would pay a lot of money to see Nintendo's conniption over having to allow home brew and non-approved software on their game consoles. I would love to release emulators for older Nintendo consoles for the Switch so that they don't get to keep charging people again to play old games on newer consoles.
Japan has so many unique store that operated in their country with region-locked apps/games.
As far as I remember, even DMM and DLsite already has their own game store on Android.
This is truly a win for Japanese customer and company.
The funny thing is that this is probably lobbying from NTT Docomo, who lost their own app store monopoly for feature phones the moment smartphones arrived.
That's nice. Let the in fighting begains.
I just hope they'll let non-profit app stores join. I just want an open source package manager tbh.
As a Canadian I thank you Japan
If this means that I might be able to use NFC payments because alternatives to Google Pay will exist, I am very happy. Hopefully this will also make possible to F-droid to provide auto updates.
Huh...my F-Droid already does auto updates 🤔
Yes I realized that, the one that doesn't is Aurora I think
Until earlier this year, I could make NFC payments with the app of my credit card company. AFAIK contactless payments on Android were never locked to Google Pay/Wallet. But I have no idea why there's no competition in this space. I'd expect e.g. PayPal to have something, but if they do I never heard of it - and I did look once, briefly.
Because to implement this you need to negotiate with individual credit card issuers. Basically how this works is that your phone is being issued a virtual card with the keys locked inside the phone's HSM. Then it can be used to make NFC payments just like any physical card. So you need 1. contracts with many card providers, 2. card issuance processes with these providers 3. huge amounts of compliance bureaucracy. At the end of the day it isn't really worth it unless you are a huge company and expect to have tons of users or see it as an essential feature of your phone OS.
Paypal has a nfc feature
For generic contactless payments at shops? Or some closed system that only works with other PayPal users?
For the most generic grocery shopping you can imagine
Alright, good to know.
I'm confused why would you need a phone to pay via NFC. All you need is your card.
I'm confused why you would assume that there isn't any context where someone might need to store their cards on their phone instead of carrying a wallet. Have you considering asking why instead of assuming everyone is like you? Is amazing when you get to know other perspectives.
Last I checked making a statement stating that you're confused about something counts, semantically, as a question. No question mark needed.
But, fine, if you don't want to tell me you don't have to. I'm able to contain my curiosity. Certainly can't put my ID, driver's license, cash, and a hair tie into my phone. Nor, for that matter, put my phone into an ATM.
I can store my government issued ID, a driver's licence, store limited cash behind my phone cover. And do cardless withdrawal from ATM if I need more. I have not needed a hair tie but if I did I'd wrap it on my wrist. Have not carried a wallet in years.
Everyone's circumstances are different.
I use phone every day at office so I don't need to get the wallet out of my jacket when going to the canteen to buy lunch. It's literally the reason I started using my phone to pay. Too many times I forgot my card...
Google allows that though or do they mean access of Google Play via 3rd party apps?
Not that I am saying it might not be necessary to include Google from the start, sets a good precedence and prevents a future where they might go the Apple route.
Just hope both Google and Apple won't restrict opening up to Japanese market only. But who am I kidding, they will.
I think this means allowing the listing of third party app stores inside the Google Play Store - so you could search for F-Droid in Google Play for example instead of downloading and installing the .apk manually.
Downloading F-Droid from Google Play kind of defeats the purpose of F-Droid.
You can still verify the install even if it went through the play store no? Or are apps on the playstore not signed by the developer?
It’s like reading interdimensional news from a world that is still sane. I’m glad Japan exists
i can assure you japan isn't that much saner than the rest of us, like really the one big thing they have going for them is pretty good urban planning and public transport.
Where most nations have people working their asses off because they need money to buy food, japan made the innovation of having people work themselves to death mostly out of social obligation instead! Much more exciting.
No, Japan just listened to the previous app market monopoly that was NTT Docomo and other providers who wanted their money pot back.
Doesn't Google already let you do this?? My Android phone doesn't even have Google Play Services, I just only use 3rd party stores. If I want an app from Google Play I get it through Aurora.
Ah wait, I should've read the article lol:
The law allows local authorities to name "designated providers" of a certain scale – currently only achieved by Apple and Google – and require those providers to do three things:
- Allow third-party app stores on their devices;
- Allow application developers to use third-party billing services;
- Enable users to change default settings with simple procedures, and offer choice screens for tools like browsers;
And it forbids them doing three more:
- Engage in any form of preferential treatment of their services over those of competitors in the display of search results without justifiable reason;
- Use acquired data about competing applications for their own applications;
- Prevent application developers from using features controlled by the OS with the same level of performance as the one used by Designated Providers.
So Google already allows 3rd party app stores and lots of settings (although these are always hit and miss, even in the custom ROM scene - I can't get pocket detection right now and my phone keeps doing things in my pocket), but the 3rd party billing and choice screens applies to them.
unrelated to the OP but a suggestion for your problem:
Waveup has a setting to lock the screen after X seconds with the proximity sensor covered, it's not very sophisticated and thus it can be a bit over-eager, but if the phone being interacted with by your leg while in the pocket is driving you up the wall then this should fix that.
How do you acces your bank account without an app that requieres Google Play Services running? All bank accounts in Europe require a smart phone app for 2FA even when you log-in on a browser. I can install bank apps via Aurora, but almost all of them won't run without Google's Software.
The picture says "No Smartphones Allowed." Doesn't seem entirely right...
Reminds me of that meme of Asian people with random English words tattoo'd on them.
Not directly related to mobile devices, but I found it really weird that lots of Japanese games on steam have a Japanese only version, that can't be sold outside of Japan. I'm really not sure if the benefit of that partitioning, but it probably comes from some of the issues they're facing in the mobile market
part of the reason for that iirc is japan has different laws and management when it comes to it.
in context of steam, its usually because japanese managment to launch games on steam is a different person for global organizations, and is usually incompetent. sometimes, the reason is a tually laws about voice/music licensing rights specific to japan
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Japan's parliament has passed a law that will require Apple and Google to allow access to third-party app stores and payment providers on devices running their mobile operating systems.
The Act on Promotion of Competition for Specified Smartphone Software passed Japan's upper house yesterday and will be enforced once Cabinet rubber-stamps it at some point in the next eighteen months.
The last item on the list is a shot across Apple's bows, as the iGiant has been reticent to allow third-party developers to use the NFC chip in iPhones for payments.
Requiring the same level of access is a big deal – especially as non-compliance could result in fines that represent "20 percent of relevant turnover."
As it implements the law, the JFTC will seek comment from relevant ministries and agencies on matters including security, privacy, and protecting kids.
Apple has sometimes argued that security is a major concern if third party app stores are allowed to access iThings – but has complied with requirements to open its devices to competition under the DMA.
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