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[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 19 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Just in case anyone actually wants to know: fire is not plasma, which is ionised (electrons not bound to the nucleus) matter, but simply smoke particles hot enough to glow.

[–] Umbrias@beehaw.org 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Fire is much more complex than that. Fires appearance comes from:

  • blackbody radiation, as you point out from smoke particles but also from gaseous components
  • chemiluminescence, the chemical reaction itself emits light, and this is why fires can burn in different colors. In fact you can buy additives which are generally metals which make fires burn blue or green or red, etc.

Fire is an active chemical reaction. It's a transition between often solid or liquid, sometimes gaseous, fuels, into gaseous products, all while undergoing a chemical reaction. It's not a state of matter, states of matter concern the phase of equilibrium conditions, and fire is decidedly not in equilibrium.

[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Thanks for the correction! My first part was still right though - fire is not plasma.

[–] original_reader@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This needs an ELI5 version...

[–] Umbrias@beehaw.org 3 points 4 months ago

Hot things glow, some chemical reactions glow, fire does both, mostly the latter especially for cooler fires.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

"With this in mind, it should be clear that a candle flame gives off light even though it is not a plasma. In contrast to candle flames, certain burning mixtures of acetylene can reach 3,100 degrees Celsius, with an associated Debye length of 0.01 millimeters, according to the Coalition for Plasma Science. Such flames are therefore plasmas (as long as the flame is much larger than 0.01 millimeters, which is usually the case). Other flames, including flames from campfires, propane stoves, and cigarette lighters, have temperatures that lie somewhere between these two extremes, and therefore may or may not be plasma."

https://www.wtamu.edu/~cbaird/sq/mobile/2014/05/28/do-flames-contain-plasma/

[–] papalonian@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

I somehow never knew what "fire" was until reading this comment. Huh.

[–] fossphi@lemm.ee 17 points 5 months ago (2 children)
[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] fossphi@lemm.ee 3 points 5 months ago

Sway is gas?

[–] rain_worl@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

i was like "heh, kde, like the distro???? ...wait"

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I feel like this doesn't fit her because it's easy to decipher if you live a life without commas.

[–] bisby@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

I think that fire is plasma. Like water is liquid, ice is solid, CO2 is gas... fire is plasma.

It's not accurate and it's a bit rambly, but it's not an aneurysm happening.

[–] Synthuir@lemmy.ml 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Fire : Plasma :: Water : Liquid :: Ice : Solid :: CO~2~ : Gas

Fire = Plasma

Clearly a mind ahead of our times