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[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 81 points 1 year ago (9 children)

lemmy is the more mature platform, whilst kbin is newer and more feature rich.

What it amounts to is that kbin can do things that lemmy can't do, but the things that they both do, lemmy tends to do better. And as kbin is effectively in alpha at the moment, it doesn't have much documentation, making installation and configuration a challenge.

The biggest point of difference in features is that kbin is aware of other fediverse content in a way lemmy isn't. kbin and lemmy both talk to each other really well, but kbin also natively supports other types of fediverse groups (gup.pe, friendica and chirp). kbin also lets you see non threadiverse content, by attaching hashtags to groups. So if you set up say a cycling group on kbin, you can also make the group watch the #cycling tag, any any mastodon or other micoblogging content will appear on a special tab in your cycling group.

[–] redditcandoone@sopuli.xyz 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So if you set up say a cycling group on kbin, you can also make the group watch the #cycling tag, any any mastodon or other micoblogging content will appear on a special tab in your cycling group.

Now that is a powerful feature. Great way to fill a feed with content too.

[–] EthicalAI@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think that will have me switch eventually, but it sucks its php.

[–] Dee@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm hoping they add that feature to Lemmy soon enough and switching won't be necessary.

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[–] snota@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Thanks, your post makes sense. Will Lemmy have the opportunity to adapt to do what kbin does that it can't, or is that a ground up change?

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 year ago

The hashtag watch feature would be trivial to implement. Properly implementing groups compatibility would be a bit more work though. I think it's mostly going to be a matter of competing priorities more than anything else

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[–] catacomb@beehaw.org 67 points 1 year ago (1 children)

ELI5? McDonald's and Burger King. One has a Big Mac, the other a Whopper. One has red and yellow, the other red and blue. Either way, you're getting a burger.

Oh, they're also right next to each other so you can wave to the people in Burger King from McDonald's and vice versa. Now everyone is enjoying burgers together.

[–] KeefChief12@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] SomethingBurger@beehaw.org 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] Dee@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Tacos = toots

yeah, that tracks.

[–] Taubin@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

Relevant username I guess.

[–] concrete_baby@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Lemmy and kbin are two different forum software that can be installed and run on servers. Because both use the ActivityPub protocol, the content between them can be shared. So, a Lemmy user will be able to see content from a server running kbin, using Lemmy.

[–] rist097@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

But how can I see kbin content from lemmy, I couldnt find an option yet. Also from kbin I cannot find lemmy communities

[–] communist@beehaw.org 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There isn't an option, you can't even tell but you already have the kbin content.

You can't disable it.

The reason that's happening right now is because kbin is enacting ddos protection using cloudflare so they aren't federating properly, this is a temporary problem.

[–] shadowtux@fedia.io 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is this only some kbin instances thing or all kbin instances thing? I'm fairly sure that fedia.io (/kbin instance) does not use cloudflare. But that would definitely explain why I'm struggling to search some instances that might use it.

[–] communist@beehaw.org 10 points 1 year ago (5 children)

As far as i'm aware it's only the main kbin instance.

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[–] azura@fedia.io 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] tiwenty@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is due to Kbin using Cloudflare anti DDoS, which disallows Lemmy instances reaching it

[–] dawnerd@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

That seems to go against the goal of federation.

[–] vanderbilt@beehaw.org 16 points 1 year ago

It’s a matter of keeping kbin up at all at the moment. The rapid growth in users following Reddit's ongoing suicide has overloaded the instance. It’s a temporary measure that Ernest will turn off when additional resources can be obtained. He is not a fan of losing federation either.

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[–] concrete_baby@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

To see Lemmy content on kbin, just add the full address of the Lemmy instance to the end of the kbin URL. For example, https://kbin.social/m/lemmyworld@lemmy.world lets you see content from !lemmyworld@lemmy.world on https://kbin.social.

The other way round should also work (ie. to see kbin content on Lemmy), but for some reason it's not working on major Lemmy instances for me, even though they are federated to kbin.social and other kbin instances.

Someone said the cloudflare protection is breaking that ability

[–] danisth@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Same here. I can actually see the Kbin communities when I search, but it is showing no content. Not sure what it looks like from the Kbin side.

[–] Yoshizuki@fedia.io 2 points 1 year ago

It looks good :-)
The cloudfare wall is a bit annoying but the UX is great. I didn't try any Lemmy instance though..

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How do I find kbin communities and how do I add them to my Lemmy instance?

Is there a tutorial anywhere?

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[–] cerevant@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

It is the difference between nginx and apache: two pieces of software that do basically the same thing. With the exception of some naming conventions and UI differences, they are the same and both participate in the community in the same way.

[–] codepy@livy.one 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Kbin is also written in PHP where as Lemmy in Rust, nuff said

[–] Klinkertinlegs@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Is that why KBin never works for me, but multiple Lemmy instances do? Lol

[–] codepy@livy.one 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Probably not the reason. Rust is just more systems level and performant than interpreted PHP

[–] yozul@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

Also Lemmy has been kicking around as a hobby project for a couple years. kbin.social, the flagship kbin instance, was first opened in April. They haven't even made tools for starting new instances easily yet, and went from a few hundred users to tens of thousands of users basically overnight. It's a miracle that kbin.social is even still running at all.

[–] Klinkertinlegs@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lol. Love this place. I make a joke, but get an actual explanation in return. Thanks!

[–] codepy@livy.one 5 points 1 year ago

Cuz we nerds

[–] Gray@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Okay, so think of every website that is part of the "Fediverse" (aka uses "ActivityPub") as just being different ways to display the exact same data. Sometimes their data works really well between two of them and sometimes it's a bit more awkward. Lemmy and Kbin are both trying to imitate the "forum-style" UI that Reddit uses, so they integrate really well with each other. Same data, slightly different UI. Mastodon, on the other hand is imitating Twitter. So trying to read Mastodon in Lemmy is like trying to read a Twitter feed as Reddit threads. It's messier. Kbin seems to be trying to find a way to better display Mastodon-style threads within their UI. Otherwise, I think the big picture way to understand the difference is just that it's a matter of UI and which one you prefer more.

[–] orbit@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

Effectively just two different methods to access the Fediverse. They each have different thought processes on how to do that, and both are at different stages in their development with kbin being the newest of the two.

I'm watching kbin's development as I really like its intended ability to interface directly with say Mastodon, but as its stands it's not quite their yet imo.

[–] guildz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago

Both kbin and lemmy utilize parts of the activitypub protocol - a generic way for different social media sites to talk to one another - to make a reddit-like functionality. This means that regardless of whether you are on a server which uses lemmy or kbin, they can access and use each other. The only real difference for users is going to be the UI and that kbin has also used activitypub to give its users some dedicated mircoblogging capabilities (think mastodon). My advice is: if you are only interested in a reddit-like experience then use the one with the UI and community you perfer, but if you want an all-in-one account (and are okay with the added complexity that comes with) kbin is closer to what you want.

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