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The Colorado Republican Party wants all Gay Pride rainbow flags to burn to ash, according to a new report.

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[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 77 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Conservatives won't be happy until we're all in extermination camps. Again.

Every single conservative is either outright genocidal, or a silent collaborator who doesn't really care as long as they aren't personally affected.

[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago (3 children)

You misspelled “fascist”

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 15 points 5 months ago

Potato, potahto.

[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I really didn't. Like I keep saying, "moderate" conservatives are mythical creatures, much like unicorns or ethical billionaires. I had a "fiscally conservative" and "moderate" acquaintance flat out tell me to my face that the world would be a better place if gender minorities didn't exist and that we're all pretending anyhow

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 5 months ago

Just a small pedantic note, depending on what we want to emphasize is going on, the government they're going for is either theocratic autocracy or one-party autocracy. Fascism just describes the strategy of using hatemongering, mythical history and enemy within propaganda to distract the Republican base from noticing that they're not personally gaining anything from the abuses of the ownership class.

(Fascism depends on a myth that all the undesirables are at fault for the misery of the general population, that once they are removed from the population, the government can get right back to serving the public and fixing all the failing infrastructure and making sure everyone that remains prospers. But there are always new people added to the bottom of the undesirables-to-be-purged list. Eventually the nation will have to go to war to continue to push solidarity among the people.)

From the perspective of the Christian Nationalist movement, the goal is theocratic autocracy in which all the whims of the government are justified by the bible. (The bible, or any sacred scripture, can be used to justify anything, no matter how dire, conspicuous or indulgent. In fact, the Church is notorious for its extremes.) The establishment of a state religion also means the establishment of state positions on dogmatic minutiae, so it's not enough to be Christian but also to adhere to the specific position of the state. Anyone who doesn't will end up on that undesirables list to be purged.

From the position of the Republican Party, the goal is one-party autocracy The only thing that keeps the Republican party from completely going unhinged is that it has to continue to negotiate with the other party (the Democratic party for now), but once it no longer has to compete for votes, our legislators are enabled to do whatever they want (or whatever is dictated to them by the leaders of the party, currently Donald J. Trump and his handlers). This is why the Texas GOP is trying to reshape how elections are counted, essentially making a Texas electoral college, so Democrats are locked out. This is not for the benefit of Republican voters, but for the benefit of consolidating all power in their party.

Anyhow, autocracy is the endgame. Fascism is used to keep the public frightened and in line and accepting that atrocity may be necessary to keep the enemys at bay. (Otherwise, they might actually realize this is all bullshit and violently revolt.)

[–] Joltey@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 5 months ago

So long they can do it on the basis of God, I'm sure that's what the all-loving God wants /s

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 51 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Imagine just foaming at the fucking mouth over people choosing sexual and romantic partners. They're mentally unwell if people you hardly ever see loving each other takes up this much of their thoughts. Choosing who you love, as long as its between two consenting adults, is part of true freedom. If they don't like true freedom they can take their own advice and fucking leave.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

My understanding of what is going on is that they're suffering from the same precarity (food, rent, housing, work, family, etc. all in a state of precarity) that the rest of us are, but rather they don't challenge their own values. The don't challenge the traditions or the decades of pro-capitalist, pro-nationalist, anti-communist propaganda they've been spoon fed. Instead, it's much it's easier to blame those in the society they already don't like because they're creepy or weird. (And it occurs to me, this may be instincts -- called or related to Fixed Action Patterns -- from migratory tribes to combat infectious disease. When things feel wrong, you shun or stay away from the members that are looking zombiesque.)

And the ownership class is fueling its propaganda engine (financing it directly, often) to continue to feed them hate rhetoric, the notion that their fellow citizens (or immigrants) are the enemy within causing them grief, and not the deep abuses of the ownership class.

This mythology runs deep, it's why all our stories point to ramblers, gamblers, adulterers and thieves as sinners and criminals, rather than war profiteers, pharmaceutical companies and tobacco moguls pushing their respective addiction epidemics, or fossil-fuel billionaires pushing an automotive culture while burying data about the climate crisis. Even though all of the former category cause only a tiny fraction of the death, destruction and economic cost that the latter category does.

If we investigated and prosecuted white collar criminals and set all serial killers and bank robbers free, we'd have a lot more people living and a lot more money. And so decades of copaganda have absolutely figured into redirecting that outrage towards the marginalized.

And yes, the ownership class would rather see human extinction than give up their money and power. So I don't know how we're going to navigate through this great filter.

[–] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml 27 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Taliban, with all its problems, took arms in hands and fought a foreing invader with a disgracefull disadvantage on their side in order to free their country. And won. I dont think republicans could ever do something remotely similar

[–] zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm not sure I'd count their country as free...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Afghanistan

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treatment_of_women_by_the_Taliban

And I think persecuting minorities and women in a theocracy is exactly the kind of thing the GOP is successfully doing.

[–] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Are you suggesting they had more freedom under american invasion?

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 24 points 5 months ago

Women certainly did. Or do they not count?

[–] zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev 21 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Not sure if you're just looking for a fight, but I'm not comparing. I'm pointing out that the Taliban is not an admirable group. I think praising a group that persecutes lgbtq+ people in an lgbtq+ community is really fucking tacky.

[–] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Taliban is a very admirable group in their fight against a foreing invader. If you want people there to have a mentality that no longer condems individuals for their sexuality, they need to develop economically first. I think its naive to belive that an agricultural country set back in development many years by a foreing invasion will have any kind of progressive mindset. And no ecomic development will occur under invasion and war. So if theres any chance for a progressive mindset to come for the people there in the future, its path starts with the fight taliban did, even if they are against it themselves.

[–] miracleorange@beehaw.org 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I get what you're saying, but commending a group that is currently running fascistic, theocratic, totalitarian government for repelling an invading force isn't exactly the talking point you want it to be.

Not to once again prove Godwin's law, but it's like saying "Hitler may have nearly eradicated all the Jews, but he brought Germany out of spiraling hyperinflation!" You may have a point, but no one's going to listen closely enough to prevent them from interpreting your statement as an endorsement of Hitler.

[–] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

isn't exactly the talking point you want it to be.

It is. The history of the country changed because of what they did. It was an historical event

but it's like saying

Absolutely not. Taliban was fighting a foreing invasor, Hitler commited genocide, among many other things. If you grossly look at the casualities there, you could argue that the USA genocided afghan people. Tbh this is stretch you did really looks like bad faith, overlooked reality for the sake of argument

[–] miracleorange@beehaw.org 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm not saying I think you're endorsing the Taliban; I'm saying that people won't read that closely into what you're saying and THINK you are.

And even though the Taliban aren't committing genocide (which I never said they were, I should've been clearer that the Hitler example was hyperbole for the sake of making a point), the human rights violations their government is committing are reprehensible. That's why it's an issue to say "they were just protecting their homeland": they kicked foreign invaders off their land to treat their own citizens just as poorly (if in different ways). It looks like you're taking up for a group that's pretty worthy of villainization.

[–] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago

a group that's pretty worthy of villainization.

Afghanistan was destroyed and made into a giant papoula plantation in order to supply the heroin that goes to the USA. Why would you villanize the group that fought against that? Only in a fantasy world a progressive pro lgbtqi+ woman rights group could emerge in a country like Afghanistan during war. I do understand the various problems that taliban have, but they are the real ppl fighting to free their country, not the ideal ppl we imagine they could be

[–] Zirconium@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

With women being able to go to school. Yea

[–] livus@mander.xyz 6 points 5 months ago

It's a mistake to write them off as unable to achieve their political goals through force. That's not something I'd want to test.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Godless Groomers

Um, we totally have way more gods than they do, from My orgies are purely chaste Artemis, to Anything that moves, NO EXCEPTIONS Zeus.

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

They only like groomers who are sanctioned by the Church

[–] livus@mander.xyz 18 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

titled “God Hates Pride”

Wtf is going on over there? This sounds like Westboro Baptists have gone mainstream.

When I first read The Handmaid's Tale in the 1990s it read like an interesting thought experiment, not a prophecy.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 6 points 5 months ago

The White Taliban: Ya'll Qaida,

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 6 points 5 months ago

If God hated pride, then why did they invent gay people?

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 months ago

Pictured: why Pride exists.