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The number of deaths in ICE custody is already more than double all of last year (www.nbcnews.com)
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[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 45 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (9 children)

The article suggests that the issues occur most in private detention centers, and argues that ill detainees should be relocated to healthcare facilities. Private detention centers most certainly should be abolished, and not just for ICE detainees.

The article also states they have been 10 deaths in FY 2024 according to ICE.gov, however the website only shows 6. I’m guessing the website is not updated, but the article only identifies two deaths since January, making the total 8. I haven’t found information on the other two deaths reported elsewhere.

Here are the number of deaths by fiscal year from ICE.gov:

FY 2024 - 6 (10 reported by NBC)

FY 2023 - 4

FY 2022 - 3

FY 2021 - 5

FY 2020 - 21

FY 2019 - 8

FY 2018 - 6

www.ice.gov/detain/detainee-death-reporting

[–] cybersandwich@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Thank you for posting the actual numbers. This article is pretty shitty imo. I read it just to see if they even included them (I guess, to their credit, at least they did that).

4,3,5 and 10(even though the govt is reporting 6) over the last 4 years.

So even assuming 10 is correct, using the "more than doubled" almost seems like journalistic malpractice. At best it's click-bait garbage. Where was the "ICE sees 25% drop in in-custody deaths" article a few years ago?

Should we watch it to see if it's a broader trend? Yea, probably. Is this necessarily indicative of anything nefarious? No.

There could be (and likely are) legitimate reasons for the increase that have nothing to do with "ICE bad". Like maybe, people coming in already sick, maybe an older demographic, unvaccinated people, etc etc. or literally just random fucking chance.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago (11 children)

Why are we keeping them in such poor conditions if they're already sick? Why aren't they in hospitals?

[–] cybersandwich@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

"in custody deaths" means deaths while under the supervision of ICE. That could be detained at an ICE facility or in a hospital "while being detained".

If you got arrested by your local police for something and were in jail, but got sick so they send you to the hospital (with a cop escort usually)...then you died there. That counts as "in custody".

So don't conflate in-custody with "not being sent to hospitals".

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Oh I'm not conflating anything. Between the immigration advocates and the government agency caught committing human rights abuses I'm going to believe the immigration advocates. They don't send them to hospitals.

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[–] Kolrami@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The numbers are interesting and I bet the 2020 number is very high because of covid, but them comparing total deaths might be statistical deception.

How old were the people who died? What were the causes of death? Did the total amount of people in detention stay consistent over time?

According to the article, a few of the ones listed are pretty young, but they didn't show causes of death.

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[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Trump's next rally:

"I can do better!"

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 24 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Crazy thought, but maybe it's not the President in charge. Maybe it's the record high heat and the deplorable conditions of confinement.

Maybe we shouldn't be holding these people in concentration camps to begin with.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Maybe the president should have tackled the bad conditions in ICE detainment like he promised? He promised a more fair and humane system after Trump's abuses of detainees and instead he's treated Trump's conditions as a record to beat.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Maybe the president should have tackled the bad conditions in ICE detainment like he promised?

Sounds like pie-in-the-sky leftist agitprop to me.

He promised a more fair and humane system after Trump’s abuses of detainees and instead he’s treated Trump’s conditions as a record to beat.

Everyone knows that a Democratic President doesn't have the same authority as a Republican President.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

So fun fact. On my phone I have you tagged as sarcastic. But on my computer I haven't figured out how to tag people yet.

But yes.

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

ICE is controlled by the department of Homeland Security, which is under the executive branch. As we remember from civics class, the president is directly responsible for the executive branch. The president is responsible for the atrocities at the border.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Are you telling me that the current President - Joe Biden - is responsible for a rising tide of migrants dying from heat exposure in ICE detainment centers?

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yes. Who else?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Presumably the head of Homeland Security, Alejandro Mayorkas

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 months ago

Biden nominated him...

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

Biden placed Mayorkas in that position, and is his boss.

[–] TheTimeKnife@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

The general lack of empathy for these people is disgusting.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

5, 3, 4,then 10 deaths in the past four years including 2024, all inmates were given medical and dental, psychological support and there are two causes of death of in the article unknown, which is probably the most cause for concern.

I looked it up.

The two unknown are undergoing investigations now, standard practice in ICE to investigate cause of death

8 of the deaths since 2018 resulted from covid in at-risk populations, 9 from suicide, which I think is a little higher than the american average of 14 per 100,000 people, but some of these people left notes saying that if they might be sent back then they're going to kill themselves, so... More high stakes, more pressure in a lot of these situations obviously.

Most of the covid deaths were in high risk patients, the elderly or chronically ill with kidney issues or the like.

[–] cybersandwich@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So basically, you just did more legwork than the journalist that published this article and there isn't a big story here. Maybe if those 2 deaths come back "omg aliens killed them" we'd have a story.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago

It looks like they just wanted to say double the deaths and hope somebody gasped.

[–] unreasonabro@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

I mean, what this actually says is there's been a year within the last five that was worse. Obviously nobody should be dying and frankly ICE should not exist and murica just needs to stop pretending it's so special since it's such shit to begin with, but "within the range of the last five years" is just a boring angle to write an article from.

[–] charonn0@startrek.website 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

10 deaths versus 4.

Lies, damned lies, and statistics....

[–] dank@lemmy.today 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Ah, so 2.5 x. Thanks for the clarification.

[–] charonn0@startrek.website 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Or, 1/50th the death rate of the general US population.

[–] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago

Build The Wall Back Better, my harm reduction vote in action :')

[–] rez_doggie@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Pigs thrive in environments that encourage violence

[–] pulaskiwasright@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago

Of course it is. Democrats either do the right thing and appear soft on immigrants right before election l, or they do the wrong thing and these sick fucks get to have fun continuing to torture and kill people. It’s really. A win-win for them.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 1 points 5 months ago

All of North America should have freedom of movement and trade. We can make the border the Panama canal so things are nice and simple.

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