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German football coach condemns 'racist' TV survey that asked participants if they wanted to see more white players on the national football team (www.bbc.com)
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The poll by the ARD public broadcaster said 21% of respondents agreed with the proposition.

"It is racist. I feel we need to wake up. Many people in Europe had to flee.. searching for a safe country," Nagelsmann said on Sunday.

The 36-year-old said he agreed with Germany midfielder Joshua Kimmich, who described the questionnaire as "racist" a day earlier.

“Josh [Kimmich] responded really well, with a very clear and thought-out statement,” Nagelsmann said at a briefing at his team's training base.

“I see this in exactly the same way. This question is insane.”

“There are people in Europe who’ve had to flee because of war, economic factors, environmental disasters, people who simply want to be taken in," he went on.

"We have to ask what are we doing at the moment? We in Germany are doing very, very well, and when we say something like that, I think it’s crazy how we turn a blind eye and simply block out such things."

ARD - the German public broadcaster - said it had commissioned the survey to have measurable data, after a reporter working on a documentary on football and diversity was repeatedly asked about the make-up of the national team.

The poll was conducted among 1,304 randomly selected respondents.

Karl Valks, sports director with the ARD station who commissioned the poll, said the company was "dismayed that the results are what they are, but they are also an expression of the social situation in Germany today".

"Sport plays an important role in our society, the national team is a strong example of integration," German media cited him as saying.

The current national squad has a number of players with mixed heritage, including captain Ilkay Gündogan and winger Leroy Sané.

Germany is hosting the Euro 2024 tournament later this month, and Nagelsmann said his team would be playing "for everyone in the country". They will kick-off the competition with a clash against Scotland at Munich's Allianz Arena on 14 June.

The controversy comes just weeks after the team's kit manufacturer, Adidas, was forced to ban fans from buying German football kits customised with the number 44, after media raised their resemblance to the symbol used by World War Two-era Nazi SS units.

The SS was responsible for many of the crimes against humanity committed by the Nazis. Members of the SS ranged from Gestapo agents to concentration camp guards. SS duties included administering death camps where millions of Jews and others were put to death.

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[–] klisklas@feddit.de 63 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Not a football fan, but good answer to a stupid racist question. Journalism needs to reflect on how their reporting is enabling the far right and legitimising racist talking points in society. At least here in Germany the media plays a substantial role in the rise of the AFD and normalising right wing policies.

[–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The main point is that the starting question is so stupid that it is an offence to the stupid questions.
In a national football team you should get the best of the best, whatever color the skin is. You want to win, not to parade.

Journalism needs to reflect on how their reporting is enabling the far right and legitimising racist talking points in society. At least here in Germany the media plays a substantial role in the rise of the AFD and normalising right wing policies.

I think that the rise of AFD (and the Right in general) is tied more to the failures of the Left than to the journalism. If people have (or think to have) a problem they will vote for the party that will promise to solve it, not for the people who say them that they are too ignorant to understand that they have not a problem.

[–] phneutral@feddit.de 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don’t agree with your last paragraph. We face many crises today and to solve them is challenging our way of life. The political (far)right answers with simple, populist sentiments that will not solve anything: Just drive your car, just eat your meat, we need growth — look: migrants!

The left tries to explain very complex concepts, but all people hear is „you have to change your way of living“.

[–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don’t agree with your last paragraph.

That's fine, at least you try to have a civil discussion.

We face many crises today and to solve them is challenging our way of life. The political (far)right answers with simple, populist sentiments that will not solve anything: Just drive your car, just eat your meat, we need growth — look: migrants!

The problem here, for what I can see in Italy, is not the (far)right that answer with these simple slogans, but that for the most part the left did not even try to give an answer.

As a reasonable person I agree that one should look over the simple answer and look to the whole picture but I am (now) lucky to have a peaceful and relative easy life.
On the other hand I understand the ones that are less lucky and maybe struggle to put two meals on the table for their children (since I was very close to that situation at some point in the past) and I understand how simple is their reasoning when it come to choose between a party that care only about minorities and illegal immigrant and a party that promise that they will solve their problems. I cannot really blame them, honestly. And I am also pretty sure that even they don't really belive the (far) right will resolve their problem, it is just a way of saying "we need help, do something or sooner or later someone will resolve the problem in a way we all will not like"

It is understood that to care about minorities is NOT a wrong thing to do but you cannot do only that.

What I see more and more is a growing disconnection between what the left think and do and what the normal people think they should do, be it more security on the street or better job conditions or whatever neede to have a normal life. From what I see in Italy, the left cannot cry that the right won when was the left itself that try so hard to loose.

The left tries to explain very complex concepts, but all people hear is „you have to change your way of living“.

Then, maybe, they are not doing it right.

[–] phneutral@feddit.de 1 points 5 months ago

Thank you for the long and detailed answer. I know that the situation in Italy is very different to Germany (were I‘m from). Even from the outside it seems that the left struggles and keeps infighting for years now. The financial crisis has caused huge damage and they don’t have any answers.

In the end your last sentence is what it boils down to: They aren’t doing it right.

[–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 34 points 5 months ago (2 children)

That Adidas part made me curious …

[–] einkorn@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Uffff! That's a huge quality assurance failure by addidas.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Nazidas

[–] Lupus108@feddit.de 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Adidas is short for Adolf Dassler... Just leaving that here

[–] pleb_maximus@feddit.de 14 points 5 months ago

Well, it was the founders name.

His older brother founded Puma IIRC.

[–] Blizzard@lemmy.zip 0 points 5 months ago

Adolf ****ler

[–] freeman@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Well in adidas web store you can choose a player whose number includes #4 and it does not seem to be this typeface.

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 5 months ago

That's because they changed the 4-design.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 4 points 5 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

German head coach Julian Nagelsmann has condemned as "racist" a recent survey that asked participants if they wanted to see more white players on the national football team.

Many people in Europe had to flee.. searching for a safe country," Nagelsmann said on Sunday.The 36-year-old said he agreed with Germany midfielder Joshua Kimmich, who described the questionnaire as "racist" a day earlier.

"ARD - the German public broadcaster - said it had commissioned the survey to have measurable data, after a reporter working on a documentary on football and diversity was repeatedly asked about the make-up of the national team.

"Sport plays an important role in our society, the national team is a strong example of integration," German media cited him as saying.

The current national squad has a number of players with mixed heritage, including captain Ilkay Gündogan and winger Leroy Sané.

The controversy comes just weeks after the team's kit manufacturer, Adidas, was forced to ban fans from buying German football kits customised with the number 44, after media raised their resemblance to the symbol used by World War Two-era Nazi SS units.The SS was responsible for many of the crimes against humanity committed by the Nazis.

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[–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

if only the poll was a plant by the German cia/fbi equivalent to root out racists and put them on a watch list. that's 274 people on a do not fly list or something.

it wasn't, isn't and won't be. But if only...