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Even old, crusty Klingons know to celebrate diversity. Happy Pride! ❤️🖖🏻🏳️‍🌈 (lemm.ee)

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[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 88 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

I have a suspicion that Klingons would consider not being your true self dishonorable, so of course they'd be accepting of trans people.

edit: It looks like there's a Romulan petaQ among us. Your bigotry will not serve you well here.

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 39 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Probably. I also believe that they would truly honor someone who went through a difficult, painful journey in order to realize - and become - who they really are.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 22 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

They would sing songs of their struggle and subsequent conquest and glory!

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Some day, we’ll get a Trek series that treats LGBTQ folx as people rather than set-pieces, and, perhaps, we will hear those songs…

[–] CptEnder@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children)

What's SNW and even DSC then? I'm confused how main characters like Ortegas and Stamets are "set-pieces"? I do really hope they bring back Captain Angel though, what a great baddie (you love) haha.

Super excited to see more ofc, even a captain =]

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[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago (11 children)

The Bat’leth knows no gender, only blood.

If anyone had a problem it might be the Ferengi watching (Fe)Males putting on clothes and doing business, but they’d just figure out a fine to levy and keep the latinum moving.

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[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Depends on where they're hypocritical or not. In real life, queer culture is entirely about making less restrictive laws regarding morality. The "small government" types should absolutely be locking arms at Pride Parades, but the Pride Gadsden is a rarity.

[–] lugal@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

As a "small government" anarcho socialist, I kind of agree but maybe not in all topics

[–] hesusingthespiritbomb@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children)

You think an empire that is extremely sexist to the point where they let a Ferengi be a leader of a noble house before a woman would be super accepting of trans issues?

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[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 82 points 5 months ago (1 children)

[–] InternetPerson@lemmings.world 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I love this.
Also hilariously illustrates the obsession of so many people over genitals instead of seeing the person having them.

[–] lemick24@lemmy.world 35 points 5 months ago

I named my cat Dax after Jadzia. He's a boy and we kept his first name from the adoption centre, so now he's Nelson Dax - I thought about this very scene when we chose the name. Such a heartwarming exchange

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 11 points 5 months ago (4 children)

So apparently this is a trans meme...

I was confused for a while

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 31 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (11 children)

It is. Dax was at one point in male when Kor met him then Dax got a new host that was female, and Kor, without hesitation, accepted her.

It may have been a bit oblique (it was the mid-90s), but this is the essence of accepting trans folk: accepting people for who they are, not your preconceptions of what they are.

[+] nobleshift@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

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[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 14 points 5 months ago

I'm sure your memory is correct, but I think it's missing a major part of the issue. Trans issues weren't discussed, so you weren't shown the bigotry that was hidden away. It's like for black people, the majority didn't show their bigotry until they were asking for equality. When they were "in their place" you just go about your life like normal and it's not a point of discussion.

That said, a lot of the anti-trans movement is created artificially to use as a target to distract voters. It's a fake issue they can purposefully misrepresent so their voters ignore the actual harm they're doing to them.

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 11 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I get where you’re coming from, but, anti-trans hate has been around for centuries. Probably longer.

Now, during the 90s, gay/lesbian advocacy was the big deal. And, honestly, the heteros got upsetteros over just that. So, trans issues were… well… unfairly delayed as an issue we all thought (at the time) should come after the mainstream could handle the simple idea of boys kissing in public without being immediately hate-crimed.

I’m on board with thinking that this was the wrong approach. There’s a little bit about this, but, I think we should’ve gone in a lot more fervently and headstrong, rather than pussyfooting around on, begging the bigots to like us, as we did at the time.

Nonetheless, here we are now.

And defining my age?

And I feel, when the dogs begin to smell her… will she smell alone?

[–] loopedcandle@lemmynsfw.com 7 points 5 months ago

I'm a similarly aged and gendered human.

There is research out there somewhere that confirms the commenter's memory. I can't find it on a whim unfortunately, I'll post if I can find it. From what I recall from the research (I'm sure I'm butchering it): In the 80s and 90s trans people were a lot more accepted. At some point when certain monied bigots saw the writing on the wall that they were losing the fight of gay and lesbian hate they started a campaign to vilify trans people.

Yes there were always assholes and prejudice, but it's only in the past 20 years that trans hate became a calling card of demagogues. It really was more accepted in the 90s.

In no way do I want to minimize the awful way trans people are treated, regardless of age. I'm just trying to remember some research I read once.

[–] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

A lot of people forget what the 90’s was like. You could call someone a f** and people just laughed. It was part of the high school insult compendium.

Anti-gay was strong. People laughed openly at Matthew Shepard getting killed. “Shouldn’t have came onto them! I would beat up a (gay) should they ever come onto me!” I remember kids getting violently beaten in the gym locker room for being meat gazers, and the school just told the victim how this needs to stay quiet or else everyone will know your little son is gay. I went to a fairly large high school in a slightly blue city, and this was just how it was. There was no acceptance of trans because no one dared come out as trans, they saw how gay people were treated.

I am glad the zeitgeist has shifted and people can be themselves. As one of those old millennials, I honestly don’t understand trans, but I want them to be who they are and be happy. Cannot imagine being in a body where your gender feels wrong, it sounds like a daily pain. If you are reading this and are trans, there are cis people who accept you for who you are and would listen to everything you need to say.

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[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Trans issues weren't forefront, but they weren't completely accepted either. It wasn't a wedge issue, but most people didn't see trans people in their day to day life(I know invisible isn't non existent), so it was a far off issue. They felt free to make jokes about them and never got push back.

Now we have a greater cultural movement for blanket tolerance AND an "engagement" based onmaking people angry.

Also, the idea that we live in a Monoculture is junk. You might have lived in a retentively tolerant part of the world, but doesn't mean the next city or even neighbor over is the same. The internet is also responsible for ripping away the idea of nonoculture.

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