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[–] PlantObserver@lemmy.world 85 points 5 months ago (6 children)

Ultra 7 155H with six P-cores, eight E-cores, and eight graphics cores; or an Ultra 7 165H with the same number of cores but marginally higher clock speeds.

WTF is Intel smoking with these naming schemes I can't even understand what this means. Thank fuck AMD is an option.

[–] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 45 points 5 months ago

Yeah because AMD has such great naming schemes...

[–] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 23 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The number behind Ultra is pretty much the same as with the i$x scheme. 3 is entry, 5 is mid range, 7 is high end, 9 is bad decision making.

The number after that kind of works like before. So higher number means more better. Probably with an extension for coming generation. Remember, the first i5s had 4 digit names as well, the fourth digit was prepended to indicate generations.

Thing is, there's no really good naming scheme, because there are so many possible variants/dimensions. Base clock, turbo clock, TDP, P core count, E core count, PCIe lanes, socket, generation ,..... How would you encode that in a readable name?

[–] far_university1990@feddit.de 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

just concat: intel i7 11g4p8e128l420c520b

11 gen 4 pcore 8 ecore 128 lane 4.20ghz clock base 5.20ghz clock boost

letter between for readable. maybe not add lane if not change for same number of pcore and ecore

gskill do similar thing: F5-5200J3636C16GX2-FX5

5200 mhz unbuffered dimm 36-36-36 timing 1.20v 16g per module dual channel 2 module in kit

see here: https://www.gskill.com/faq/1502180912/DRAM-Memory

edit: also can put architecture with letter to indicate refresh, add suffix for apu and maybe tdp

can maybe use some letter for number: not that many different core number, make a=1pcore, b=2pcore, c=3pcore, … more than 26 pcore unlikely ever in consumer cpu. same for ecore maybe

[–] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You really think, that is more readable?

[–] far_university1990@feddit.de 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Yes, can see what different between cpu without go to intel page and read spec. Not only that cpu are different.

What mean readable to you?

[–] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 7 points 5 months ago (3 children)

For example being able to get a grasp of the rough performance from the have.

i5 10500 is faster than i5 10400. But is 6p4e better than 4p8e?

It's illusionary to fit everything about a CPU into its name. What you're proposing is essentially the entire value column of the spec sheet concatenated.

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[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Readable is able to read quickly and easily. That name has too much information.

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[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 20 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Performance cores versus efficiency cores?

[–] frezik@midwest.social 7 points 5 months ago

They have high power and low power cores. Borrowed the idea from "BIG.little" design from ARM.

[–] tabular@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

I can’t even understand what this means

I think that's the intent, and they fucking nailed it.

[–] barryamelton@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It's the intent, like "high-end" car models, so you can't distinguish them by features or age.

[–] stephen01king@lemmy.zip 4 points 5 months ago

And AMD is following along with the stupid naming scheme in the next generation.

[–] RegalPotoo@lemmy.world 62 points 5 months ago (1 children)

This is where I'd put my Framework laptop

IF THEYD SELL ME ONE

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

I know right. Instead of lowering the price. Maybe sell it outside us

[–] Technus@lemmy.zip 18 points 5 months ago (3 children)

The Core Ultra chips, like the Ryzen 7040-series chips, also include a neural processing unit (NPU) that can be used to accelerate some AI workloads. But both NPUs fall far short of the performance required for Recall and other locally accelerated AI features coming to Windows 11 24H2 later this year;

Why even waste the fucking space on the die then?

[–] tedu@azorius.net 35 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] Technus@lemmy.zip 21 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I sure as hell don't, but it seems extra pointless when it can't even run the workloads it was designed for.

[–] tedu@azorius.net 6 points 5 months ago

I'm sure it still works in photoshop or whatever, just not the windows stuff.

[–] fif-t@kbin.social 25 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (6 children)

Because the NPUs were designed and built and included long before Windows 11's AI features were announced?

If I recall correctly, it typically takes about 4 years for a CPU to go from design to distribution.

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[–] cyrus@sopuli.xyz 8 points 5 months ago

NPUs existed before recall and have other uses apart from that.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago (4 children)

This is all well and good, but what I really want is a Framework 2-in-1. That would be drool worthy.

[–] naonintendois@programming.dev 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Do you mean the tablet/PC combos?

[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Yeah, like the Surface Pro. Basically a tablet PC with a keyboard/trackpad attachment.

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[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

Oh god there's round corners?

[–] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 52 points 5 months ago (8 children)

its due to whoever paid for the R&D for the screen asked for rounded corners. Framework just took the design and retooled the connectors for their own use case, as its significantly cheaper than commissioning a entirely new panel.

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[–] charizardcharz@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago

There's two display options, 2256x1504 60Hz without rounded coners and 2880x1920 120Hz with rounded corners.

Specs are identical to the Surface Pro 11 and Framework said they are using an existing panel so they might be using the same panel, which makes it cheaper to develop since M$ would have paid for the development.

[–] tedu@azorius.net 23 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What critical information are people putting in the six missing pixels?

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I feel like there's more than 1.5 pixels per corner taken out.

[–] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 8 points 5 months ago (6 children)

The bottom corners aren't rounded.

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[–] dunestorm@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Rounded corners don’t bother me at all, but a notch sure as hell would.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

I was on the Framework wait-list for over a year, but bailed because they didn't kick this out in time.

[–] Muffi@programming.dev 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I really hope they start shipping to Denmark soon. We're such a tiny market we often get ignored or forgotten.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 4 points 5 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Prices start at $899 for a pre-built or DIY model (before you add RAM, storage, an OS, or a USB-C charger), or $449 for a motherboard that can be used to upgrade an existing system.

But both NPUs fall far short of the performance required for Recall and other locally accelerated AI features coming to Windows 11 24H2 later this year; Framework's blog post doesn't mention the NPU.

It has a matte finish and a 120 Hz refresh rate, and it costs $130 more than the standard display or $269 when bought on its own to upgrade an existing laptop.

All of Microsoft's Surface devices released within the last few years have also used rounded corners, and I haven't found that it affects functionality at all.

Other odds and ends include multicolor USB-C Expansion Cards that are color-matched to the colorful bezel options, an English International keyboard for Linux users with a "super" key in the place of the Windows logo, and a new 9.2-megapixel front-facing webcam module with low-noise microphones (Framework says this module doesn't work at its native resolution but instead groups four pixels together into one to deliver better performance at 1080p).

Framework has also added new configuration options for the Ryzen 7040 version of the Laptop 13 that include the new display and has lowered prices on those AMD configs and on "our remaining inventory of 13th-gen Intel Core systems.


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[–] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Fuck yeah was going to order a new one soon

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