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Right-wing media tried to make an Ohio ballot initiative a referendum on trans people. It failed again. (www.mediamatters.org)
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[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 82 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Ok speaking as someone whose had bottom surgery and watched someone recover from top surgery let me just say this: if your minor child has a sex change procedure (usually implies surgery) without you knowing you aren’t involved enough. Between the several letters of recommendation, the year of hormones, the hours and hours (and over a thousand dollars) of genital hair removal over like a year, and the drives to appointments with the surgeon several times (maybe you lucked out and they’re in town, but the only bottom surgeons in Ohio are in Cleveland and Columbus). That’s all before the recovery. If you don’t notice your kid can’t lift their arms much for a month/can’t comfortably sit or get up after disappearing for a week you’re not spending enough time with them to get a full say in their life. Trust me, you can’t fucking hide recovering from gender affirming surgery. Well unless you’re that chick I know who flew a plane a few days after bottom surgery.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Truth. They want to pretend that parents are coercing their children into surgery. Not happening. Sorry you’re having to put up with this shit.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Oh absolutely, yeah the number of trans people who get disowned even now is horrifying. But stories from the 90s are next level. I once met a programmer who spent her teen years as a prostitute since she came out as trans in the early 90s and was kicked out. Turns out it’s not easy for teenagers to make enough to keep a roof over their head and buy black market hormones without selling something illegal. She had an orchiectomy at 18 in some guy’s basement.

Still today an extremely disproportionate portion of homeless youth are disowned trans kids.

I was disowned myself when I came out at 20. Fortunately one of my parents was accepting and I wasn’t thrown out, but I was housing insecure for the rest of college and I did learn what it’s like to spend a night in a car in an Ohio winter from time to time. With my supportive mom I was never pressured, just assisted in what I said I wanted.

In a lot of ways this all resembles the minimization of suffering abortion argument. It will happen, how bad do we want it to be?

This idea that children are being coerced into transitioning by parents is wild considering the massive pressure still placed by parents on trans teenagers to be cis. Sorry if this wound up on a bit of a tangent

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, not a tangent. I think cis people need to hear your story and others. Because it doesn’t get discussed, people have misconceptions about who you are and what is involved. Many still think it’s a choice. That needs to be demystified. Discussion is the only way that happens. I can’t pretend to know the struggle, but I try to understand.

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Many still think it's a choice. That needs to be demystified.

To me, this sentiment is such a big part of the problem. The abuse, the homelessness, the insecurity: those are all symptoms of the problem, but needing justify any of gestures wildly everywhere this as not being a choice is such a big part of the problem.

Why can't it be a choice? I'm not gay and I know I'm not because I've chosen to kiss guys to find out. I don't always feel comfortable in my skin and sometimes feel more powerful when I'm wearing makeup or am dressed like a 1980s bully. But what if I just wanted to dress as a woman or be referred to as "her" for a week or if my wife wanted to grow a beard? The fact that anyone feels the need to justify these "odd" behaviors as part of biology or whatever further detracts from the correct response to someone having had a sex change or any other personal choice: "cool, it's none of my business, but I'm glad you felt comfortable sharing that with me."

I realize that society is so far from ready for this view that my argument probably comes off a reductive, but I'm so tired of seeing wonderful people or even okay-ish people suffering from a population trying to wipe them from existence. I no longer feel the need to justify anything to these assholes and the only explanation they should ever hear again is, "because. Now kindly fuck off."

[–] kool_newt@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

Agree, it doesn't matter if one is "born this way". People should be able to do or wear whatever they want, represent themselves as whatever they want, so long as they are not harming others.

And no, offending conservative sensibilities is not harm.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You have a point. How does one map farts?

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

By smell I imagine

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Follow your nooooose!

[–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

no, they're afraid of "the wrong people" are coercing their children into surgery, because that's what they do

[–] AlligatorBlizzard@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

I moved out of my parents house and drove from Florida to Minnesota less than two weeks after top surgery. I can't say I recommend doing that. I didn't exactly tell my parents I was having top surgery, I just told them I was out of town visiting friends for a week and I think they might have found out the first time I went swimming shirtless, lol. But I was also an adult at that point and had long ago realized if I'm doing something expensive and important for myself, don't ask permission. A minor is not legally allowed to do what I did and that's probably for the best, your point still stands, lol.

[–] pretzelise@mlem.me 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

this article has given me so much hope for the future of America in relation to LGBT issues.

I often get stuck thinking that LGBT people (especially the T part) are destined to be forced back in the closet thanks to the right's obsession with them. I'm so glad that these attacks are seemingly unpopular, contrary to what Republicans have been saying.

I just hope this is what's happening here in Australia too

[–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago

the thing is, what we're watching is the bigot's last stand. they're getting nasty because it's now or never. their power base is dieing off and they know it, and they're hoping to stuff us back into the closet while they still have levers of power to pull.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hopefully, truth will win out.

[–] Lemmylefty@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

At this point I’d settle for disinterest to win out. You can only play the greatest hits so many times before they get stale.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, it’s just remixes now.

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[–] ipacialsection@startrek.website 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For some reason the most pessimistic voices always get boosted the most on social media. (Well, on my corner of Akkoma/Mastodon, that is.)

While, yes, there is a large anti-trans campaign going on in the US, and yes, it's succeeding scarily often, it is failing just as often. The threat isn't from a hateful majority, it's from a minority in power. One way or another I believe it's a losing battle for the bigots. We exist and nothing they can do will change that.

[–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

I would say that excessive pessimism is a rather common problem these days

[–] gsa@kbin.social 28 points 1 year ago

🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️ Ohio says Trans Lives Matter 🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️

[–] jscummy@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago

Even aside from all the factual inaccuracies and nonsense about "sex changes for minors", it's important to notice this measure actually had nothing to do with gender affirming care or trans rights.

Right wing media has gotten to a point where they just fear monger and draw thin connections to drag queens or some other bullshit to get their base to vote how they want.

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

This is another moral panic by closeted gay conservatives and the frightened, ignorant people surrounding them.

The panics come and go, and they ruin many lives in the process.

[–] Clown_Tempura@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Pretty hard for othering to be a successful strategy when your chosen bogeyman is less than 1% of the population.