So I think we already know the outlines of the typical criticisms of Breadtube, namely that it's vaguely-leftist content that focuses on cultural critique and gives a nod to socialist theory here and there but it doesn't actually achieve anything and it's just a media-consumption demographic with no moves towards anything that resembles on the ground organising and activism. (Obviously there are a few outliers but as a rule this generally holds true.)

I dipped out of Breadtube years ago for plenty of reasons but I just posted on Lemmygrad criticising the SPD Three Arrows movement which prompted me to have a look at the Breadtuber Three Arrows and they have done exactly the same thing that Contrapoints and a lot of other large figures in this genre have done:

They build up a healthy Patreon base and then their content drops off to like a couple of videos a year, if that, while continuing to draw off a personal salary which rivals that of a full-time worker.

In the past two years Three Arrows has produced 4 videos, amounting to less than 4.5 hours of runtime all up.

That's staggering for someone who is getting over 60k a year, at the most conservative estimate.

Likewise Contrapoints claimed to be getting 20k a month and she's putting out like 1-2 videos a year. And there's plenty of other examples of this too.

Imagine what could be done if people supported their local grassroots organisations instead of paying boatloads of cash for their twice-yearly YouTube treats smh.

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[–] RNAi@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

20k a month for saying "I like my treats and that's why tankies are wrong"

Death to america

[–] Gimasag@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Never trust a content creator that isn't active in an org.

[–] Sinister@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Three arrows is like a spd voter who lived in america for three years and comes from Freiburg the erewhon of Germany. Of course hes no comrade. Contrapoints meanwhile only briefly flirted with leftism, when she was on her lowest point financially and during her transition, once she moved into a more financial stable as well as more “cis-perceived” position she ditched leftist thought immediately.

[–] lorty@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I know Three arrows does some sort of podcast patreon subscribers can listen to, so maybe that's where they are getting their money's worth?

I think, in some cases at least, what slows videos down is the added quality of research or production most creators invest in after getting popular. In many ways it's also the creative mind sometimes needing some direction a producer gives in general media, and not having that lets them just go absolutely wild is useless work that ends up being scrapped. I might be a bit charitable though because I only followed a few breadtubers, there may be many more that are just grifting.

Personally what intrigues me the most about breadtubers is how they become mild and inoffensive versions of themselves after becoming popular/well-off. Like, what causes that? Is it that the societal problems they criticized no longer applies to them? Is it the allure of advertising money? Is it secret CIA threats? I really do wonder.

I think Shaun still keeps to the same type of content, which is probably why I still bother watching what he puts out.

[–] sicklemode@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Personally what intrigues me the most about breadtubers is how they become mild and inoffensive versions of themselves after becoming popular/well-off. Like, what causes that? Is it that the societal problems they criticized no longer applies to them? Is it the allure of advertising money? Is it secret CIA threats? I really do wonder.

The same exact cause for hungry as fuck "progressives" like AOC to settle and water down and tiptoe away from their original mission: They've switched classes and, therefore, their new class interests are in conflict with their original mission. What's there to be hungry about anymore when you start being fed really well? Why continue trying to destroy the status quo when it's benefiting you materially? This is why it's important to maintain loyalties to class interests (in this case, the interests of the proletariat), instead of individuals who are susceptible to corruption. China does this very well and provides the blueprint.

[–] lorty@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I understand your point, but I find a bit hard to believe they suddenly have the opposite class consciousness considering they are still much, much further away from anyone that actually owns the means of production. And simply put, they should know better.

[–] Moss@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

they should know better

Sure, if they were actually communists. Most of them were always libs, but they used to be radlibs. Its clear that people like hbomberguy and contrapoints have never actually read Marx.

I don't think its a coincidence that Abi Thorne is one of the only major original breadtubers who has read marx and also keeps uploading consistently. I don't watch her videos anymore but she obviously has read a lot of theory