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Was reminded how Epstien not killing himself was/is so accepted yet it’s still a conspiracy theory. Is there any similar ones you guys believe to be completely true ?

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[–] potterpockets@sh.itjust.works 168 points 1 year ago (11 children)

MLK was killed by the US Government/with Government warning and approval not because of his policies on race, but because his message was getting (though somewhat always had been) socialist/anti-capitalist, and between the historic fear of slave revolts, the new fear of communist revolutions, and the monied business interests not wanting to cede any power they ended MLK to prevent potential calls for a social revolution.

[–] flipht@kbin.social 101 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It's insane how many left leaning leaders were assassinated. And it isn't a coincidence that it was during the red scare. What we KNOW about McCarthyism is crazy enough, now think of all the stuff they wouldn't say out loud to fight the "red menace."

[–] Alto@kbin.social 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

J Edgar Hoover wanted to round up all the "leftists" and put them in camps.

I put quotes around leftist because simply not hating black people was enough to get you on that list.

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[–] sadreality@kbin.social 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also tupac and biggie got removed becuase they spoke about things elites didnt like to be replaced by the prosperity rap clowns to worship them and their money to the plebs.

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[–] AmbroisindeMontaigu@kbin.social 143 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Just the boring one: That all the exciting conspiracies (and other stuff like "culture wars") are there to distract from the banal reality of most people and the world being exploited by a few selfish assholes.

[–] TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Seems pertinent that US politicians suddenly mentioned a totally reliable account about possible aliens just as people's unrest over their cost of living and the excesses of the wealthy has been rising.

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[–] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 132 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Industries are making bad products on purpose to weed out consumers with standards, therefore breeding a crop of consumers that exist only to give their money to them if they ask.

[–] TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (7 children)

That is exactly why Shein and Temu exist as far as I can tell.

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[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

That’s just unregulated capitalism.

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[–] A_A@lemmy.world 130 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Trump conspired against the USA.

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 49 points 1 year ago (5 children)
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[–] Lakija@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

I agree. I think that he knew that Russia was going to attack Ukraine. (It is weird how trump got involved with Zelensky during that infamous phone call.)

Trump tried to get us (US) out of NATO so bad because then we would be free to use our military power in favor of Russia against Ukraine.

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[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 85 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Basically all the stuff black people and leftists learn about Reagan. I’m not sure if it’s even still a conspiracy theory but his campaign made a deal with Iran to not free the hostages until after Election Day. They funded Nicaraguan contras by allowing cocaine shipments to inner cities (which led directly to the crack epidemic). Iran-Contra is obviously all accepted history but all the context gets treated as conspiracy theories.

Gary Webb, the journalist that exposed the Reagan Admin - Nicaraguan Contra - crack cocaine thing, is one of those “committed suicide w/ multiple shots” assassinations where the official story is so sketchy, you wonder if they were sending a message to other nosy journalists about what they can get away with.

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[–] jantin@lemmy.world 68 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Was there a massive behind-the-scenes NWO plan between billionnaires, old aristocracy and top politicians to fuck up the world, reduce population etc? No, the world ran its natural, chaotic course for most of history.

Is there this kind of conspiracy now?

ABSOLUTELY YES.

In 2023 it is not possible to have any influence and not be aware of the climate disaster. Anyone who does have big influence and does not act to mitigate warming and its consequences is doing it willingly and with full conscience. Doubly so if they act to worsen the situation. It's almost like the elites read some of the crackhead theories and thought "hey, this is actually a decent plan!"

[–] JoBo 37 points 1 year ago (8 children)

It might feel almost like that but there's no conspiracy, just power doing what only power can: protecting itself. These people have billions tied up in fossil fuels; oil wells and coal mines but also the products which rely on them. Tesla is only profitable because it sells its carbon credits to carbon-reliant manufacturers.

None of these people would exactly be left in dire straits if we stopped using carbon fuels tomorrow. But they would lose most of their wealth and thus most of their power.

There are undoubtedly small-scale conspiracies, such as various oil companies covering up what they knew about global warming decades ago, or misleading accounts of emissions. But there is no grand (explicit) conspiracy, just tips and tricks and extremely rich people refusing to become merely rich. Even if it means planning escape bunkers and working out how to control the servants they will need to take with them when their money means nothing any more.

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[–] flossdaily@lemmy.world 64 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I believe that Russia has dirt on a number of prominent Republicans. Trump is a given, what with his shady Russian financing, his connection to Epstein, the tape mentioned in the Steele dossier. But I think that there were a number of anti-Trumpers who turned on a dime. Lindsey Graham, for example, was very anti Trump for months and then became his biggest cheerleader literally overnight.

I think Russia had planned to damage Hillary in 2016, but never imagined that their man Trump would actually beat her. I think when they realized they had their man in the white house, they went all in, and used every bit of leverage they had to help him gain control of the party.

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[–] bizzle@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Feds could have stopped 9/11, but chose not to.

[–] halvar@lemm.ee 31 points 1 year ago

As far as I understand they could have stopped it but it would have required them swallowing their pride and sharing their data and cooperating with "rival" agencies.

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[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 55 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin is ultimately responsible for 1999 bombings, if you count is as a conspiracy theory that is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Russian_apartment_bombings

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[–] khannie@lemmy.world 54 points 1 year ago (9 children)

We're either alone as an intelligent species in this galaxy or the great filter is true

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Filter

Even with our current level of technology which has gone from first flight to landing on the moon in just 66 years we could colonize the entire galaxy in 200 million years which is a blink of an eye.

I think life is common but humans are special or we're fucked.

[–] progressquest@reddthat.com 45 points 1 year ago (6 children)

we could colonize the entire galaxy in 200 million years

This is just extrapolating based on math, while ignoring the reality of the actual situation.

Even if we have an amazing breakthrough tomorrow, the reality of interstellar colonization is that you would necessarily be creating two different species by doing so. They would have very little reason to cooperate after a relatively short time. Space is huge, y'all. Communication would be cumbersome at first, and rapidly get worse as the two different species diverged, first culturally, then physically.

And that's even assuming that we would do it. You're basically asking a large group of people to sacrifice enormously for, at best, a marginal benefit. We can't even convince people to stop burning coal, and that's for our own enormous benifit.

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[–] Atrabiliousaurus@reddthat.com 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I like the theory that we're a precocious intelligent species. Like, although the universe is 13 whatever billion years old it takes a few cycles of suns going supernova to disperse the heavier elements to the point where a planet can form that will sustain complex life. Maybe the Earth is one of the first set of planets suitable for intelligent life to develop on, and although the Earth is 4.5 billion years old and there has been life on it for 3.7 billion years there has maybe only been multicellular life for about 500-600 million years. It took hundreds of millions of years for an intelligent species to arise once there was complex life and maybe even that was lucky, who's to say it doesn't "usually" take a couple billion years.

On top of all that, the universe is expected to continue forming new stars for another trillion years, so yeah, maybe we are one of the first civilizations at the dawn of the universe.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

It's even more than that.

Imagine a dinosaur species was sapient, what do they use to fuel their industrial revolution? There might have a few scatterings of oil reserves but most of the fossil fuels we have were created at the end of their era. They'd have to jump from water power to nuclear.

We are in an incredible accident of timing and opportunity, and we're wasting the convergence of eons on a few centuries.

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[–] Jackthelad@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago (12 children)

I don't believe Lee Harvey Oswald managed to plan the Kennedy assassination all by himself.

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[–] qwet@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There is a cabal arranging to rebuild the US under fascism. I have no proofcicles or datacakes.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 58 points 1 year ago

Yeah, it's called the GOP. The source is anyone with eyes, ears, and a functional brain.

[–] knaugh@frig.social 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

it's the heritage foundation, the plan is called project 2025 and it's all out in the open at this point

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[–] hltdev@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago (5 children)

2012 is the end of the world

[–] FatTony@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

I certainly haven't felt alive since.

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[–] Today@lemm.ee 44 points 1 year ago (6 children)

We're really hot right now because the earth is trying to kill us. It got a taste of peace during COVID and wants more.

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[–] dan1101@lemm.ee 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

I believe the military is covering up something about UAPs. I doubt it's aliens but they know or should know more than they admit.

[–] Neato@kbin.social 31 points 1 year ago

It's always just US spy craft, foreign spy craft, foreign craft of unknown purpose, weather balloons, weird atmospheric shit. Also: instrumentation fucking up/data corrupting. When you combine the instrumentation with any of the former, it doubles it.

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[–] MonkRome@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I don't even think it matters whether or not Epstein killed himself. Because even if he did, there was too much incentive for those in power to build in the conditions to make it easy enough to happen. IRCC, he was on suicide watch. There had to be intentional negligence to allow the suicide to occur and it seems unlikely that no one attempted to tip the scale in favor of allowing it to happen.

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[–] whileloop@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children)

Epstein didn't kill himself.

9/11 wasn't an inside job, but the American government did cover up their failures to prevent it.

I've heard some speculate that Al Qaeda had placed explosives or fuels inside the buildings in advance, suggesting that they had access to them days or weeks in advance. If true, I can absolutely see a campaign to cover up their failure to prevent it.

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[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (11 children)

All that Q shit is real. There’s a pizza shop basement somewhere in the DC area where republicans are raping kids & doing all that other weird shit.

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[–] chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

John McAfee is still alive

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[–] Tolstoshev@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (9 children)

A cabal runs the world. Every market becomes a monopoly or a cartel in the absence of regulatory forces. There’s no world police, therefore the Rothschilds, Carnegies, Mellons, etc. would have coordinated to divvy up territory and install puppet rulers. They’re not going to waste resources competing when they can cooperate. They stay out of the public eye so they don’t get targeted and don’t have to suffer the burdens of being famous.

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[–] JonSeagull@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I believe there's definitely some shady stuff going down with Coca cola. [For those interested] (https://www.conspiracies.net/coke-conspiracies-capitalism-finest/)

In addition to human rights abuses, there's an entire other rabbit hole of conspiracy involving the drug trade, the DEA, the pharmaceutical industry, and foreign governments. Quite interesting!

I don't know how to link properly

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[–] Boozilla@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (24 children)

Apologies for sort of weaseling out of a committed answer....but I do think the Dead Internet theory will be true at some point, and that we're already on the way there. However, I don't think it's absolutely true right now.

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[–] jesterraiin@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (10 children)

After the Pandemics I believe nothing and trust noone.

This comedy-drama is all the proof I need that this world isn't real.

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[–] talkingcat@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It actually was a weather balloon

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