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...and I don't know which possibility is the least worrying

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[–] BallShapedMan@lemmy.world 272 points 6 months ago (16 children)

Don't be fooled by randomness. Randomness comes in clumps. For example if you flipped a thousand coins every day for a year and measured how each one predicted the stock market, heads for up, tails for down, at the end of the year you'll likely have one coin that far out performs the average. But would you use that coin to determine your investment strategy the next year?

And yeah Boeing is now killing people outside of their planes.

[–] Hegar@kbin.social 89 points 6 months ago

Boeing is now killing people outside of their planes.

That's a great line!

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 26 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Finally I have a reliable way of finding my magic stockmarket coin. Thank you kind stranger!

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[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 20 points 6 months ago (4 children)
[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 26 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

Not really. That is just a fact that there's only 365 days, and the more samples you make increases the odds it's a sample that overlaps with another (there are fewer unique options).

What the OP is saying is that sometimes randomness can appear less random than other randomness. True randomness will occasionally give results that closely match something non-random. It's why almost all music players don't use true random for shuffle. True random you could have the same song play 15 times in a row. In fact, that is expected to happen eventually (assuming infinite time) just as all other sets of 15 songs are.

[–] TheTetrapod@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

My dream is for Spotify (and other music playing apps) to let you customize your shuffle algorithm. Minimum number of songs between repeating an artist or album, that sort of thing.

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[–] RampageDon@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

Idk if we have any NYJ fans in here, but 2 years ago the coin meme was born. One fan flipped the same quarter every game to predict a win or a loss. It was correct for like the first 7 or so games of the season. It was a pretty wild ride predicting some unpredictable upsets for the jets for both wins and loses.

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[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 135 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (9 children)

The latest death was due to disease (flu and MSRA, leading to pneumonia and apparently a stroke), though, and his family confirmed as such. Many of these whistle-blowers are older experienced engineers who will be biased towards a higher death rate.

Still, fuck Boeing though. The first suicide remains suspect. Corporate scumbags.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 50 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The hitman just coughed on him. Devious.

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[–] 6mementomori@lemmy.world 29 points 6 months ago

the first suicide is not suspect, as far as I've heard the guy specifically said he is not suicidal JUST IN CASD something like this would happen, but that's either not true or that fact sadly did not gain attention

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 25 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Many of these whistle-blowers are older experienced engineers who will be biased towards a higher death rate.

This, plus being highly involved in any court case is extremely stressful, which can take a toll on your mental and physical health.

Which is why I'm still kinda leaning towards an actual suicide with the first case. Being stressed, tired, having your life dictated around court schedules while you sleep in hotel rooms....... I could see that wearing someone down after a while.

I just don't think it makes real sense for a company to hire an actual hitman to operate in the US. Corporate murders happen, but usually overseas, and usually not when they've already testified.

Not saying it isn't a possibility, I just think it'd be cheaper to pay the guy off and have him sign an NDA.

[–] IzzyScissor@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

A whistleblower is the type of person to refuse such an NDA, regardless of buy-off price. They would understand that if Boeing is willing to pay them 10 million or whatever, that the information they have, should they release it, prevent over 10 million dollars worth of damages to the public.

I just don't see someone like that committing suicide in a hotel parking lot out of state the day (two days?) before they are supposed to testify. That would go against everything they were doing up until that point.

They wouldn't just.. go home instead?

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[–] tyler@programming.dev 22 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Influenza B and MRSA? I’m not sure I’m convinced… but yeah. A bit different than the last death.

[–] candybrie@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago

If he was hospitalized for the influenza, getting MRSA while there isn't all that surprising.

[–] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

A viral infection causing a secondary bacterial infection is incredibly common. The phlegm and various secretions caused by the virus act as a breeding ground for the bacteria.

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago

A person could easily be ~~poisoned~~, I mean infected with Flu and MRSA.

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[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 45 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They definitely killed the first. Just learned about the second and hearing it was MRSA? So who knows. Maybe they're borrowing some bioweapon tech from their pals at McDonnell Douglas.

[–] TheGalacticVoid@lemm.ee 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They killed the first guy through years of abuse, not by directly killing him.

[–] Specal@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] TheGalacticVoid@lemm.ee 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If Boeing supplied the bullet, it would've shattered before it left the gun

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[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 33 points 6 months ago (2 children)

it could also be coincidence. humans are great at assuming patterns

[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 22 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I believe in coincidences. I don't trust coincidences.

[–] Mannimarco@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

Are you a humble tailor by any chance?

[–] nightwatch_admin@feddit.nl 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

That is true, but let’s not forget big companies have been found guilty (rarely punished) of crimes with no respect for human lives or even rights whatsoever. It isn’t very smart to consider extermination a fact, however it is smart to assume it is a possibility, especially if you are an ethical Boeing employee.

[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 30 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Or it's a coincidence. N=2

[–] Sethayy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Still statistically significant, even with a high margin of error our only evidence points towards it being a trend

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

There's an xkcd about this

[–] echodot 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It statistically significant because middle-aged people who were about to give evidence at a trial dying is not a common occurrence. Happening once is suspicious happening twice is extremely suspicious.

It is not like Boeing is staffed by geriatrics on the edge of life as it is

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[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 22 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Sample size could also be too low, no?

[–] neidu2@feddit.nl 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Possibly. We'll probably see eventually, either through a myriad of deaths, or a lawsuit with a lot of witnesses.

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[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

n=2 is a terrible sample size

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[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 17 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

The guy already gave his statement at a deposition. Why on earth would they kill him after the fact?

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 26 points 6 months ago

Perhaps as a warning to other potential whistleblowers?

[–] themurphy@lemmy.ml 10 points 6 months ago

To stop others having the same idea.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

Maybe the compound infection took longer to take effect than they had planned.

[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 9 points 6 months ago

To give conspiracy theorists something to do.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 5 points 6 months ago

It’s a message about the consequences of such a move

[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 14 points 6 months ago

Coincidence or not, it must've caused a chilling effect to other whistleblowers.

[–] NeptuneOrbit@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

Boeing investors are probably thinking twice.

[–] rodneylives@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

It's still easily possible that it's just a coincidence.

B-U-T

The fact that people are going to be very suspicious if whistleblowers die, even if it is purely accidental, is yet another reason not to do terrible corporate things. People will always wonder, and Boeing's management deserves the dark cloud that will now hang over their heads.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

Remember, deaths come in threes! I wonder which Boeing whistleblower will be next.

[–] MrPoopyButthole@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago
[–] tuxrandom@kbin.social 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Let me guess, suicide by 17 gunshots to the back of his head? In his car in a hotel parking lot?

[–] DrownedRats@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)

No, sudden illness I'm afraid. He arrived in hospital a few days ago for pneumonia like symptoms. poor bugger fell out of a window twice.

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