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[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 291 points 6 months ago (34 children)
[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 59 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (11 children)

The end of the day I won't blame the young people, though. I will blame the red hat fascists who want to install an orange dictator.

Edit: Young people get a pass because at least they are passionate about something. I'm over here, dead inside, praying to a computer that things don't get any worse then they already are.

[–] Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I blame First Past The Post voting, for keeping the people handcuffed to two legacy political parties.

Perhaps Republicans would vote less clowns into office, but they are chained to the Republican party.

Same is true for the Democrats. We don't need to be stuck with these two parties. There can be something else.

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[–] penquin@lemm.ee 155 points 6 months ago (22 children)

I fucking hate, and from the bottom of my heart, how Biden is funding the genocide in Palestine, but I'm still going to vote for him this time, because we just can't have a person like Trump in the white house, period. I still can't figure out how he got in the first time. I'd never let my 10 year old lead a country, yet we let Trump do it for four fucking years. I, too, am sick of this "the lesser of two evils" bullshit, but this time I'm giving it a pass because of Trump. We already have a crumbling country and can't afford another four years of this dude.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 71 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (16 children)

I don’t understand why people point out that Biden is “funding the genocide in Palestine” and completely ignore and fail to mention that trump would do the exact same thing.

He has all but said he would cut Israel loose to do whatever they needed to finish the job.

The use of Israeli aggression is not a point of comparison when viewing the differences between trump and Biden.

Edit: and I apologize for the late edit - FWIW Biden has become critical of Israeli actions and offered some aid to Palestinians (Yeah, I absolutely agree it isn’t enough) while trump would prefer to wash his hands of the whole Palestine thing. That is a notable difference.

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[–] xhieron@lemmy.world 62 points 6 months ago (4 children)

I think Joe Biden is maybe the best president of my lifetime, and I'm going to vote for him with my head held high even though I live in a red state where it doesn't matter at all. I wish things were simpler in the Levant, but I appreciate that Joe Biden is between a rock and a hard place with Israel. It's not like he can just take Bibi out. He's not Boeing. That said, even if I laid the entire genocide at Biden's feet (which, while he's not blameless, is absolutely not appropriate), he would still be head and shoulders an improvement over Donald Trump.

For that matter, I'd absolutely let my 12 year old run this country before I'd let Trump have a second term. My kid is brilliant, and more importantly, unlike Trump he listens to advice, can take no for an answer, and gives a shit about having a functional democracy four years from now.

A second Trump term is an existential threat to the nation. Hold your nose, hold your neighbor's nose if you have to, but every able-bodied patriot owes it to their descendants and their patriotic ancestors to prevent a second Trump term.

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[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 131 points 6 months ago (4 children)

When I was young my parents introduced me to some old school Communists; folks who'd fought in the Spanish Civil War and been blacklisted in the 1950s.

One of the stories they told was that back in 1968 the oldtimers were warning people to vote for Hubert Humphrey because they knew how bad Nixon would be, Too many young folks then thought 'both sides are the same.'

[–] LennethAegis@kbin.social 59 points 6 months ago (10 children)

I don't know much about him, but reading that he lost the young people vote for supporting the Vietnam War is such a good parallel for today.

[–] Zehzin@lemmy.world 24 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Damn, it sounds like he shouldn't have supported that war. If only people had warned him about it.

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[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 17 points 6 months ago (12 children)

LBJ realized he'd made a giant mistake and hoped Humphrey could end the War. Nixon ran as a 'peace' candidate and made things much worse.

Trump's people would nuke the entire Middle East hoping to bring about the Rapture.

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[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 24 points 6 months ago (4 children)

The communist party of America consistently votes democrat and doesn’t run a candidate. Same with the American Nazi party and republicans.

My attitude is simple, deal with the problems you can impact. The 2024 elections will not result in a loss of support for Israel. A fascist wants to run a coup in America. That’s on the table, he’s running for president. That’s a problem we can deal with.

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[–] ultratiem@lemmy.ca 84 points 6 months ago (8 children)

Hi. I’m not American. But we all understand Trump’s threats. Or the inherent threat he poses. I think I speak for the world.

I’m more worried about a system that let someone like that get this far!

[–] scaredoftrumpwinning@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I swear I remember my social studies teacher saying one reason for the electoral college is to prevent someone like Trump. The founding fathers didn't want to trust the popular vote in case the masses got duped. With the polarization of the parties there's little chance of voting for the other person happening. There are some state laws that force them to vote for their candidate but I'm not sure how many states have the faithless electors clause.

Of course we got Trump because of the electoral college he lost the popular vote.

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[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 56 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

there is an understandable wave of nihilism manifesting in the younger generations that will probably persist for as long as they live. i don't imagine the united states will stop producing nihilists for a long time as the circumstances are not projected to change

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[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 54 points 6 months ago (9 children)

I almost wish Jimmy Carter would run for a second term. 99? 82? Age is just a number now apparently anyway lol

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 25 points 6 months ago

Soon we'll be governed by heads in jars, as Futurama has foretold

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[–] Frog-Brawler@kbin.social 52 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 25 points 6 months ago (5 children)

He's right frighteningly often.

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 51 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (68 children)

But but but I won't vote in protest!1 That will definitely make them listen! (/s)

PSA: Not voting means you have the relevance of an old man yelling at a cloud.

You move the Overton window by voting. You want policy #857? You have to vote for policy #1 first. You have to walk before you can run.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 40 points 6 months ago

The Unconcerned: "Orange man bad"

Me: YES! Orange man VERY bad, glad we were able to dumb it down for you in a way you can understand it.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 38 points 6 months ago (9 children)

Personally, i'm worried that the biden administration is underestimating the electoral importance of his decision to continue supporting Israel's genocide against Palestinians.

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[–] Emmie@lemm.ee 35 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

I think it would be helpful if people tranformed their concerns from meaningless doomposting to active political effort.

Cause the first is almost as bad as not worrying at all.

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[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 30 points 6 months ago (13 children)

That sound... As if millions of "muh corrupt DNC" trolls cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced...

[–] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 31 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Doesn't change any of the entirely valid complaints about the DNC. They've been running on "vote for us because the GOP should scare you shitless" for a good long while now.

They don't have to do any better than not being as horrible/scary as the other guy and they know it. And the GOP usually gives them an awfully low bar.

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[–] snownyte@kbin.social 25 points 6 months ago (6 children)

I'm not worried. I'm just utterly disappointed in the younger generation. Not in the whole typical way you'd expect older generations to be towards the younger ones.

It's more along the sense of "put down your fucking memes and jokes for abit and realize the reality that's around you" deal. Because we're now seeing the Onion practiced in our daily lives, we can't make the shit up that is actively happening in real time. And it doesn't affect just me, it affects you too.

We can't be putting off this shit forever and sit there going "aww, I just hope it gets better" naturally.

Because let's put it this way, say you don't vote this general election and Biden wins. Okay, cool, we've dodged Trump. But know that in the next 4 years, Biden is not eligible to be re-elected so good on you to no longer see him on the ballot, but you'll never know who could be next after him and there isn't a lot of strong favorability for his VP either. Trump for all we know, is likely going to run until he dies, so he's going to be trying again and again so long as he's living and so long as his voter base is there to back him.

But even when he dies, god knows what the Republicans will try propping up. We've got a bit of a glimpse of that when known fascists like DeSantis tried running for presidency. The only reason him and other candidates has lost is because they can't touch Trump. But when Trump does die, you know they'll be back again.

My point is we need to keep Republican interests the fuck away. They're nothing but destruction. How much evidence do you need before you see that? It's all fun and games to you with your jokes and memes until you're on the internet bitching and griping for why you think shit hits the fan or why you're struggling to make a living.

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[–] Audacious@sh.itjust.works 21 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Recently came across project 2025, which is a plan to upend the government for trump to run it like a dictatorship. It's actually frightening to even entertain the possibility. And I'm guessing it's derived from how putin got to his dictatorship position, because trump really likes putin and met with him too often.

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[–] tetranomos@awful.systems 21 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

as a black person i'm worried that donald trump's batting average isn't showing the potential it should be this season. he should spend more time in the cages.

[–] Wooki@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

Its called apathy.

Make everyones vote count (mandatory voting) and all of a sudden it matters

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 26 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The US needs to get rid of the electoral college as well. This is dumb as fuck the weight of a vote differs between states.

[–] MalachaiConstant@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Let's throw out first-past-the-post voting while we're at it.

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