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What do you think will happen if we don't pass the aid for Ukraine? (lemm.ee)

submitted 7 months ago by lemmylem@lemm.ee to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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[–] Hjalamanger@feddit.nu 68 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Please define "we". This is a international community so you can't assume that everyone lives in the same country as you.

[–] nawordar@lemmy.ml 26 points 7 months ago (3 children)

The Default Country, I guess

[–] PatMustard 39 points 7 months ago

We're on a lemmy.ml community, so Mali I guess

[–] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Rome?

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[–] Goun@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The country that's not part of the rest of the world

[–] Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Palestine according to the USA

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[–] pumpkinseedoil@feddit.de 14 points 7 months ago

I'll assume they mean the countries that currently support Ukraine

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[+] federalreverse@feddit.de 44 points 7 months ago (3 children)

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[–] Diabolo96@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 7 months ago (8 children)

Why do people talks so easily about US starting war with Russia? They each have thousands of nukes and if it devolves into nuclear war then earth is fucked beyond repair for at least a few centuries. This is not WW2 anymore, a war doesn't mean dropping with a bunch of soldiers on a beach, it means an apocalyptic destruction of earth.

[–] assembly@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago (17 children)

That is true but at the same time, a line has to be drawn somewhere. If we just let Russia win because they have nukes, there is nothing to stop them from invading and absorbing other neighbors. We can’t let the threat of nukes keep us from doing anything and allowing for Russia and China to just invade anywhere they want.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Only the US and Europe has the unalienable right to invade and bomb anywhere they want.

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[–] froh42@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

I live in Germany, was a teenager in the 80s. We would have been ground zero then, and would be ground zero now.

I've already spent all the fear of nuclear war in the 80s. I am just not able to fear nuclear war now, anymore. The fear just dulls after nearly half a century.

The choice is to let a madman bring war to one country after another or to stop it - with the cost that stopping has a miniscule chance of me getting vaporized.

But doing nothing will keep the risk of nuclear war for another 50 years. It has to be stopped now, appeasement never did anything good.

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[–] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

We have 122 vaults spread all over, just in case, no? ... No?

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[–] gun@lemmy.ml 7 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Russia can then ingest Ukraine, continue to seed political distrust in Western countries and then potentially start another war in Europe a few years later.

Holy shit this is the most mapgame-brained comment of all time. You mean Russia will get enough war score to annex Ukrainian territories, wait a few years for aggressive expansion to die down, spend some admin points to press the "sow discontent" button, then war when the casus belli is ready? Like a classic EU4 blob?

Stop gaming and read some books.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 7 months ago

Things are not getting objectively worse in the West, its just russian propaganda!

[–] azulavoir@sh.itjust.works 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I mean.

It's not like Russia has never done any of those things individually.

So doing them again in that sequence seems right.

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[–] lens17@feddit.de 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

I'm by no means an expert in international relations. However, with respect to your last paragraph, I do think that China monitors the development carefully. I would even go so far and assume that they won't act on Taiwan until the situation in the Ukraine is decided. Not because the cases are so similar, but because China and Russia seem to be important partners for each other. Right now, China is supporting Russia financially by buying resources from them (if I'm not mistaken) and also supporting them with equipment embargoed by the EU/US. China will probably know what it's risking when they attack Taiwan and I doubt that they want to create that sort of situation while one of their most important partners (might be mistaken here) is in a war that binds their resources and weakens their support for China.

On the other hand, they could also try to start the war on Taiwan soon, hoping that NATO/US stretch their support too thin.

Tl;Dr: I don't know either.

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[–] jet@hackertalks.com 37 points 7 months ago (21 children)

If the US doesn't pass aid for Ukraine Russia will have the ability to attrition a win eventually.

More importantly for the US, China will see the lack of support as a sign of weakness increasing the timeline for a active conflict over Taiwan.

Ukraine is a test case for Taiwan that the Chinese government is paying extreme attention to

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[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 11 points 7 months ago (5 children)

I do still have at least a little hope Ukraine is going to win. A territory does not typically successfully invade another territory a second time. However, I continue to be outspoken for Ukraine. Without aid, Ukraine will probably do what Chechnya is doing and just resort to dirtier tactics, which I'm glad Ukraine is not doing yet.

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[–] waka@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Ukraine alone won't be the cause for a dystopian scenario with Russia as the world government, but I don't like where it would be going if Ukraine fell. Russia surely wouldn't stop afterwards. I'd rather see a world where trade connects people than a world where governments forcefully connect people via ideologies. The latter never worked out for anyone.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 4 points 7 months ago (16 children)

It's incredible how western propagandists managed to convince people that world's biggest country with low aging population is on a mission of territorial conquest.

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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 9 points 7 months ago (48 children)

Exact same thing that will happen if you pass aid to Ukraine, except less people will die.

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[–] hamid@vegantheoryclub.org 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Who is we???

[–] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Who is we???

Perhaps OP is a member of the US congress, trying to figure out what to vote for? 🤪

There is a nice sample of Michael Parenti talking about this kind of use of the word "we" at the beginning of this song. (lyrics here)

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[–] kusukasaka281@lemmy.id 6 points 7 months ago

Then there will be more aid to israel.

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