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Okay, let's thinks some of this through.
This is accurate. All branches of the military are having problems meeting their recruiting requirements, because kids in general in the US are no longer fit enough to make it into basic training in the first place. So while there are enough raw people that have the mental aptitude that are trying to get in--but just barely--so many of them are unable to meet the physical requirements that the military lacks the personnel that it needs.
Okay, yes. This is potentially correct. However, you're also going to see a lot of resentment. So perhaps you won't see the esprit de corps that you might want.
I was one of those people that might have been an "unwarranted rejection"; I scored quite high on the ASVAB at the time (I think 96th percentile in the mid 90s), but was disqualified because I was on Prozac. Now I would be disqualified because I'm on the autism spectrum. (I was then too, but hadn't been diagnosed.) I might have done well in the military. I might have hated it. But I never got the chance to find out.
Okay, see, here's a huge problem. Mandatory military service would mean expanding the military by 100x. Even if you only served 18 months or 2 years as a conscript, that's an ENORMOUS amount of money that has to be spent by the gov't feeding, housing, clothing, training, providing healthcare, and paying (since you kinda gotta pay the troops) for so goddamn many people, and that assumes that they entirely cut all post-separation benefits for anyone that is conscripted (e.g., no VA for people that become disabled, no GI Bill, etc.) The infrastructure spending alone for that, and the number of new bases that would need to be built, is staggering. Right now we spend 3.5% of our GDP on the military. Even if we went low-tech for all the soldiers that were conscripted, you could expect to see that number triple, easily. That means that you're either doing massive deficit spending, cutting everything else that taxes are spent on, or raising taxes by a lot.
Send massive amounts of money to defense contractors...
without any future liability obligations....
and leaving tons of room to grift...
all while also getting to fuck over the poors?
Somewhere, a senator just spontaneously jizzed his pants.
Not just the poors though. You'd have to cut infrastructure spending, Social Security, Medicaid/Medicare, criminal justice, food and drug administration (you know, the people that make sure food is safe?), everything that makes our country more or less functional. This isn't something that the 1% would be fine with; it's more like the .1%, or .01%, because even most of the very wealthy people would end up getting badly fucked by the kind of cuts you would need to have in order to add that many people to the military without instituting oppressive taxes.
I think that saying that the current military budget would triple if there was mandatory conscription is actually being incredibly conservative. If you look at military spending as a percentage of GDP when the US last had something even in the same county as mandatory conscription--World War II--the US was spending over 40% of the GDP on the military.
I can't imagine most people in the US being okay with that kind of loss of necessary gov't function combined with insanely high taxes unless the US was also involved in an existential war.