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For future readers wondering, since OP decided to overwrite their comment thread (making it seem like a bot deleted it):
The comment above asked for what sounded like a good faith effort to show that protestors were calling for the death of 7 million Jews. After I provided that in the below comment, the commenter then tried to shift the conversation to other factors of the war, and use the argument "but other people are calling for genocide too". They then added personal attacks, and in response to me pointing out that Jews are uncomfortable because people are calling for the genocide of nearly half the global Jewish population, responded with "maybe they should be uncomfortable", implying that they agree with Jews being subject to genocide. They then tried to pretend I'm a bot or an idiot and overwrote all their comments.
I know it's a tiny little corner of the internet, and ultimately doesn't matter that much if an argument is preserved, but it matters to me. This is the kind of thing I face regularly. This is also the reason I wrote it with a throwaway account.
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From one of the leaders of the protest at Columbia, who also led around 200 protesters to surround 3 Jews who came to the site and led them to chant "expel the Zionists" (video of the incident in the article).
This is also just what's publicly reported on, not including Israeli news sources who often report on other incidents that don't make it to reputable American media, nor including personal incidents that I and my family and friends have been subjected to.
Edit: more stuff, though more dubious source, with a list of chants at protests: https://www.algemeiner.com/2024/04/22/hamas-we-love-you-list-chants-statements-columbia-universitys-gaza-solidarity-encampment/. Some of these I've heard personally, including "We say justice, you say how? Burn Tel Aviv to the ground!"
And another one with less info, more reputable source: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/03/college-gaza-protests-antisemitism
I'm so done with this thread. No one can be this shortsighted, I refuse to believe these posts are made by anything other than bots.
No, because you're changing the discussion. You were making the claim that people aren't calling for the death of all Israelis. I'm saying, they are. Israeli government officials also calling for the death of Palestinians doesn't change the fact that in the US, where I am, people are actively protesting for the death of 7 million Jews, as the above commenter said.
I'm not looking to get into a larger argument about the state of the war; I have my own opinions but I hold them to myself for the moment.
That doesn't invalidate my point that Jews are feeling threatened because people are calling for at best the displacement of, and at worst the death of everyone in the one and only Jewish state - the state where the majority of the worlds Jewish population lives, and most Jews likely have family or connections in. And that's even taking the more charitable assumption that it's not a dogwhistle or precursor to calling for the death of all Jews, as many other protests in the past have.
I'm so done with this thread. No one can be this shortsighted, I refuse to believe these posts are made by anything other than bots.
Once again, observing in disgust is not the same as calling for the death of 7 million Jews. And it shows a lot that when I presented you with that evidence, you didn't say "that's awful, no one should call for the extermination of all the people in a nation", but "yeah, you deserve it". Funny how you get all up in arms about genocide, but ignore calls for genocide against those you don't like.
Edit: oh sorry, I misread, you're not just ignoring it, are you? You're actively AGREEING that Jews should fear people wanting to kill them all.
Thanks for engaging in good faith :) this is why Jews feel so safe and comfortable, knowing that when they raise valid concerns about people calling for their death, everyone immediately jumps to their defense, saying "no one should die!" and not "yeah, you deserve it!"
Also: world Jewish population: 15.7mil, or 0.2% of the world population. Estimated Jews killed in the Holocaust: 5-6mil, about 60% of the world Jewish population. This has happened before and it will happen again: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_antisemitism
I'm so done with this thread. No one can be this shortsighted, I refuse to believe these posts are made by anything other than bots.