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[–] bane_killgrind@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

He's not getting shot at lol of course he's more Impartial.

US politicians would commit career suicide if they suggested no drone use, because it would mean soldiers get shot.

If the option you want picked is neither drones or boots, how do you suggest the USA divest themselves from wars in foreign countries? If the first black president came out as a pacifist they would have to level every single grassy knoll in the country.

Putin already kills indiscriminately, that's not really relevant.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

He’s not getting shot at lol of course he’s more Impartial.

Drone operators aren't getting shot at. Drone operator supervisors definitely aren't getting shot at.

US politicians would commit career suicide if they suggested no drone use, because it would mean soldiers get shot.

If the option you want picked is neither drones or boots, how do you suggest the USA divest themselves from wars in foreign countries? If the first black president came out as a pacifist they would have to level every single grassy knoll in the country.

Well, if we agree that the US government is inherently militaristic and that elected officials are powerless against the intelligence community who would murder them if they stepped out of line, then maybe we're more on the same page than I thought. Though it sounds like you're saying Obama was just a figurehead so I still wouldn't say he "took personal responsibility."

It should be noted, however, that there are other options between, "Giving the executive unlimited unconstrained authority to kill anyone they want" and "Not doing any drone strikes ever." I believe it is possible for war criminals to be held accountable for murdering civilians. I believe it is possible to have a system in which one person doesn't have supreme authority to act as judge, jury, and executioner.

[–] bane_killgrind@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago

Drone operators aren’t getting shot at.

Yes, but they work at the same base as the guys that would be.

We're on the same page, but I don't think the way the US is and how the military is structured, that either the president or any local commanders would ever be persecuted for civilian deaths. We disagree on what accountability means probably.