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[–] lud@lemm.ee -1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Russia invaded Ukraine. NATO didn't.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This is an infantile understanding of the situation. NATO expansion was the cause of the invasion as even Stoltenberg has now admitted publicly.

[–] lud@lemm.ee -2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Why did the countries choose to join NATO? Maybe it was because Russia is a threat. A fact that was later proved by the invasion of Ukraine which actually made more countries join NATO.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Because US has a massive propaganda machine and literally overthrows governments that aren't compliant. Entire books have been written on this subject, and yet here you are spewing ignorant drivel smugly.

[–] lud@lemm.ee -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Russia invaded Ukraine. The USA didn't. They have also done terrible things but we are discussing the invasion of Ukraine now.

Just because the USA has overthrown governments doesn't give Russia any right to invade Ukraine many years later.

here you are spewing ignorant drivel smugly.

Ditto. A country which is so afraid of freedoms and rights can't be trusted. Any reasonable country allows journalists to live.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

USA literally published a paper on how they want to goad Russia into a war in Ukraine with the goal of extending Russia https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR3063.html

USA ran a coup in Ukraine that overthrew a democratically elected government to put a far right regime in place that then committed atrocities against people of Donbas since 2014. I lovew how you ignore all that since it doesn't fit your infantile narrative.

Ditto. A country which is so afraid of freedoms and rights can’t be trusted. Any reasonable country allows journalists to live.

I never said I trust the US regime or their media.

[–] mukt@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Why did the countries choose to join NATO?
Maybe it was because Russia is a threat. A fact that was later proved by the invasion of Ukraine which actually made more countries join NATO.

If we are making hypothesis, USA bullying smaller countries into joining its own gang is much more probable. After all, it is not disputed that USA has been bullying everyone into forcing sanctions against Russia and only big countries like India and Germany have been able take a stand against American bullying.

[–] lud@lemm.ee 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

My country joined because of Russia and their invasion of Ukraine not because of the USA.

[–] mukt@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Whatever makes you feel better. I am done here. I'll leave some reading material for you though.

If you haven't read actual Russian propaganda so far, I'd highly recommend reading the entire Big Serge's Substack for a rather informed take from perspective of a Russian in USA.

Enjoy these long reads with good tea.

[–] lud@lemm.ee 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] mukt@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago
[–] mukt@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

30% population of pre-SMO Ukraine was Russian. And a dicriminated minority. Who invaded whom is a matter of how well versed you are with one side of propaganda and how ignorant of the other.

[–] lud@lemm.ee -3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Please provide evidence to the contrary then.

It's extremely easy to find tons of images of russian troops invading Ukraine.

I have yet to find any images of Ukraine invading Russia.

[–] mukt@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Russian side of propaganda is not too difficult to find, even in the English world. Why don't you do a google search by yourself and list 10 results of what you found ?

[–] lud@lemm.ee 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Why would I go out of my way to prove your point? Why would I ever look for Russian propaganda?

Your argument is yours to prove not mine.

[–] mukt@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You haven't substantiated your own assertion about NATO not invading Russia. It is your point at stake. I simply pointed you to an undeniable fact that torpedos your assertion, and pointed you to relevant literature, which you are refusing to look into.

Your point stands logically punctured. Feel free to flee.

[–] lud@lemm.ee -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Lol. You can't just say without sources that NATO invaded Russia and then get mad when I deny it. That's like the people that claim that the earth is flat say that everyone else has to prove otherwise.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and you have none.

[–] mukt@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Flat eathers actually give what they think is evidenxe fir their claims.
Looks like you haven't actually read much there either.

[–] lud@lemm.ee -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Lol, says the dude that gives no evidence.

[–] mukt@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Says the guy who needs no evidence for his beliefs.

[–] lud@lemm.ee -1 points 7 months ago

Wow comeback 😲