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[–] HarryLime@hexbear.net 77 points 8 months ago (3 children)
[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 42 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I think the most insulting thing about this is sending Kamala of all people to tell a war time president to not attack legitimate targets lol. They couldn’t find some military general for this? Not Biden? I guess when the only thing you do all day is xanax then you have time for everything else

[–] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 22 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 13 points 8 months ago

Coconut trebuchets are the only artillery they have left, she was simply too xanned out to make that clear.

[–] Coolkidbozzy@hexbear.net 41 points 8 months ago (2 children)
[–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 60 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

bombing nordstream made Europe dependent on the US and pumped the US petroleum industry, and it was probably meant to hurt Russia but that part backfired

[–] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It was specifically to pressure Germany who were more hesitant to fall in line initially

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 12 points 8 months ago (2 children)

It definitely backfired, but bombing refineries does the same as bombing Nordstream in terms of hurting Europe's supply of Russian oil and gas, no? So it just reflects a shift in tactics over the last year. They're pivoting out of all-out aggression on Russia.

[–] 420stalin69@hexbear.net 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It’s not really the same.

Nordstream was gas only, which isn’t as critical for US politics as the price of oil.

Blowing up Nordstream coincided with a large increase in export capacity in the US, and in the US there was a excess of natural gas because it’s very available in the shale where the USA gets most of its oil from. There was so much gas that often they weren’t even bothering to capture it because it wasn’t economical. Being able to export that to Europe was nothing but net for the USA.

[–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I think proximity to the elections is what has changed rather than the position on Russia. If decreased production harms the US economy between now and November, it will seriously damage Biden's campaign

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Then maybe they shouldn't be egging on a regional war in the Middle East? I guess no material interest can go above the call to support genocide yea

[–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 3 points 8 months ago

only-throw no disciplining Israel, only defend

[–] Xx_Aru_xX@hexbear.net 18 points 8 months ago
[–] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 21 points 8 months ago

I love the ordering of the statements

  1. Higher energy prices

  2. Uhh yeah worse retaliation I guess