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[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 75 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)
[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 80 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Overall this piece by the intercept is basically stenography of the press releases by the US State Department. Every statement is sourced by them. Also, the picture of the ballistic missile in the article is not the whole missile, but simply a booster stage.

[–] assyrian@hexbear.net 61 points 8 months ago (1 children)

that's what I thought, Klippenstein's stuff is usually a bit better but this was: none of their missiles even worked, pieces of them fell over Iraq (every picture has just been the booster stages like you said)

[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 32 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Also

Most media reports say that none of the cruise missiles or drones ever entered Israeli airspace

There is literally a video of what could be a drone swarm in the vicinity of a successfull missile hit on an Israeli target.

https://streamable.com/abihqz

Yeah maybe it's just a weird cloud reflection or something, but it could also be a bunch of drones.

[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 35 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Most media reports say that none of the cruise missiles or drones ever entered Israeli airspace

Hearing new reports that Iran never actually fired their swarm of drones and missiles at all and every "projectile" in the skies above Israel was an optical illusion; every Iranian missile simply spontaneously combusted seconds after launch

[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 29 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It's the exaggeration that gets me. Like yeah it's fully feasible that some of the ballistic missiles were shot down mid-course where they are most vulnerable to interception, it's possible that some of the ballistic missiles failed mid flight as some of these weapons are so new that Iran has barely had time to properly test them, it's possible that a lot of the drones were shot down once they were detected as they only fly at around 190kph/120mph, and intercepting cruise missiles with fighter jets has existed since WW2 when V1 rockets were intercepted by British warplanes.

However, to claim that half of the ballistic missiles failed mid flight, the majority of the remaining ballistic missiles were intercepted and that not a single drone or cruise missile entered Israeli airspace, when there is video evidence to the contrary, is just staggering. It's propaganda on another level. Also, the Iranians aren't stupid, they know that the majority of their slow drones were going to be intercepted as well as many of their cruise missiles and some ballistic missiles, it's why they launched so much ordinance in the first place. It's part of the strategy, to overwhelm Israel's air defence system. Quantity has a quality all of its own.

At the end of the day, Iran still hit military targets multiple times despite the largest NATO countries and Israel themselves doing everything to stop them, and having had weeks in advance to prepare for the Iranian attack. In what way is that not a successful Iranian counterattack? Iran achieved something no one else has done for decades.

[–] Greenleaf@hexbear.net 25 points 8 months ago

The entity and the US are desperate to keep up the facade of Israeli defensive invincibility.

[–] bleepbloopbop@hexbear.net 38 points 8 months ago

wow that's bad. Fully implying that none of them hit until near the end of the article, not making any reference to the mysterious "2nd facility" that was struck or asking any questions about that, and just offering nothing but imperial propaganda completely unquestioned on every point.

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 20 points 8 months ago

As weird as this sounds, this might be the first real sign of friction between the US and Israel that's not part of some good cop-bad cop routine. I don't think the US would be so quick to take credit if relationship was still good.

[–] D61@hexbear.net 9 points 8 months ago

This article does not make things look good for Israel.

IF... 50% of Iranian equipment never made it off the ground/outside of Iranian airspace due to equipment failures...

AND IT STILL TOOK A MULTINATIONAL COALITION OF AIR DEFENSE to take care of the rest of the Iranian attack ...

it makes it seem like Israel got really lucky this time.