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[–] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 8 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Okay so I'm with you on walkable cities being good, but everything else you said is offensively fucking wrong.

[–] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Care to elaborate on what you felt was offensively fucking wrong?

You agree with walkable cities but:

  • Want large houses (needing more space, spreading things out)?
  • Don't want denser zoning?? (How are ya gonna walk somewhere with everything spread out)
  • Hate the idea of a corner shop. (Love driving just to get a few small food items)
  • Dislike taxes (how will you pay for your infrastructure? There's a reason US cities are crumbling, they're too spread out, so land taxes don't cover the maintenance bills)
  • Like carparks
  • Hate bikes
[–] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 0 points 7 months ago

Bikes are cool!car parks need to be torn down or converted to semi-indoor agriculture

taxes are nice in theory but just get spent on cops (more on this later)

Corner shops are fine.

Denser zoning is good. Necessary. Important.

More sqft maybe, but that's only because we tend to jam more than one person per bedroom into apartments; a 1 BDRM would be lovely for most people.

But all their solutions are electoral, and if electoralism was going to solve problems without a literal gun to its metaphorical head, it would have at least fucking started by now. If it were going to do what the majority of people want, I would live in a very different country (single payer healthcare federally legal weed few/no barriers to abortion, at least). Instead its moving away from all that.

And proposing electoralist and government solutions is just complete bullshit. Its like actively harming a cause, I'd rather you be a screaming gammon shouting that I'm gonna go to hell for wanting a grocery store I can walk to; I genuinely think that would be more helpful.

[–] copd@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Don't just say "it's fucking wrong" without explaining yourself. It kills debates and it just looks like you're salty and took the comment personally

Take some time and continue the conversation

[–] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee -1 points 7 months ago

Theres a reason I did that. Observe (in another reply, just a minute; steam making typing awkward)

[–] PeggyLouBaldwin@lemmy.world -2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

they presented exactly as much proof as you did

[–] copd@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Proof? Who's talking about proof?

You've twisted this topics conversation entirely, elaboration doesn't necessarily infer referencing up your scientific sources. You can explain yourself, which I did more than the other comment.

Anecdotes are okay but if you're disagreeing with someone actually try to explain why, don't just say they're wrong.

But thanks for your input.

[–] PeggyLouBaldwin@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

if your claims can be refuted with one word, then that word suffices.

[–] vfye@toast.ooo -3 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 8 points 7 months ago

Oh. I hadn't considered that. Gimme a minute.