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“All they are trying to do is convince us that there is some kind of movement toward where we want,” Siblani said. “But it’s too slow and it’s dragging. It’s more death and casualties that are happening.”

The highest-profile example of the stonewalling came last week when a Palestinian American doctor walked out of a meeting with Biden. But interviews with Muslim and Arab American leaders reveal how that face-to-face protest was only the most conspicuous case of a fracture that has damaged crucial relationships and closed avenues needed to repair them.

But the situation presents a challenge for a president who believes in the political power of personal relationships and has prized his history of sitting down with opponents and critics. It could also jeopardize his reelection this year, with some Muslims warning they are unwilling to support Biden even it that risks returning Donald Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee, to the White House.

Salam Al-Marayati, who lives in Los Angeles and leads the Muslim Public Affairs Council, described the attitude as, “Forget them. They have to learn a lesson. And if they lose, that’s the lesson they should learn.”

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[–] Tamoato@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

If you're an American it seems like your choices really are between Biden and his slow genocide or Trump with his quick one.

It doesn't seem like you can really rely on your political leaders to help resolve this conflict in a way that doesn't lead to more suffering and death, only the pace at which it happens. If those are the only two options, I don't blame Muslim and Arab Americans for giving up on Biden.

I think it would just be more honest to acknowledge there's no real support amongst any American political leadership to minimise the suffering of either the Palestinian or Israeli people.

[–] Jamil@lemm.ee 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

What suffering of the Israelis? They're partying and listening to shitty techno music and getting showered in free American money and weapons.

Palestinians are living in tents and starving. They'd love to be subjected to America's treatment of Israel.

[–] Tamoato@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Both Palestinians and Israelis see each other as existential threats. Ignoring this basic reality means there will always be conflict in the region.

Palestinians are suffering en masse right now, I don't think anyone reasonable is denying that.

But what do you think happens if the underlying, justifiable, fear that they each have of the isn't addressed? There will be more massacres and more war, and like in every war, innocent people will pay the price.

[–] Jamil@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Both white slave owners and black slaves see each other as existential threats. There will be conflict. We should try to find a negotiated peace between them so the slave owners can have their slaves in peace.

Stop both-sidesing this like a dumb liberal. What's happening is colonialism and it's wrong. Wake the fuck up, Israelis are trying to replace the Palestinians, not co-exist with them. There is 75 years of history to demonstrate that.

[–] Tamoato@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

So since all Israelis are the white slave owners here what do you think would ensure lasting peace? Finishing off the Israelis once and for all?

[–] Jamil@lemm.ee 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Wow, what a logical leap.

Is that what you think happened to white slave owners in the US? They were all killed? Of course not, they were forced to coexist with black people and stop committing crimes against humanity.

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

But... But what about their CULTURE!!! If you make them be nice and stop oppressing people, it would DESTROY their culture!!

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Israelis massive victim complex juxtaposed with then acting like Nazi's doesn't somehow make both sides equal.

[–] Tamoato@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

So what do you propose to stop Israeli aggression towards Palestine?

The next time their music festivals get attacked and people kidnapped they should just be ok with it?

[–] Woozythebear@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

Don't torture,kill and starve Palestinians and force them to live in an open air prison for 70 years and maybe you won't get fucking attacked.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

This is reversing cause and effect.

Israel is currently massively terrorizing the West Bank. They have recently committed the largest land theft there in decades expanding their Lebensraum for their Ubermensch.

Somehow this doesn't matter. Somehow whatever israel does to other people is entirely irrelevant until they fight back. That is where the conflict must start. Not at the 20 year long brutal occupation and regular terror bombing of Gaza by israel.

We can expect Palestinians in the West Bank to start resisting against israels brutal Nazi regime as well. And then you can post more about music festivals (forget the 33% military kills btw)

Or we can tell israel to stop doing Nazi shit right now so those oppressed people in the West Bank don't have a reason to fight back.

[–] Jamil@lemm.ee 2 points 7 months ago

Exactly and if Iran retaliates to their embassy getting bombed, it's Iran the one that's escalating.

[–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It doesn’t matter whether Trump or Biden is President to stop the war in Gaza, what matters is that Netanyahu isn’t Prime Minister

[–] Jamil@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago

Gantz has already said he'd also invade Rafah once he's prime minister. The issue is not Netanyahu. It's all of Israel as a racist apartheid ethnostate.