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‘There wasn’t enough about the horror’: Hiroshima survivors react to Oppenheimer
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 29 Mar 2024
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Lol everytime I go on Lemmy and suggest that your nation returns my nation's looted treasures, you guys say "see no cause they're safer with me, your country is a shit hole" and you still to this day ignore all the atrocities you guys committed against us. Don't try to tell me the people you nuked weren't victims, just to avoid the reality that you guys did something so evil, and made it out to be a hero move
Of course they were victims, but they were victims of their imperialist government at least as much as they were victims of the US if not more so. The Japanese military led an aggressive, savage campaign. They raped and brutalized with impunity. They tortured POWs with impunity. They carried out disgusting medical experiments and vivisections with zero humanity. Perhaps you are familiar with the rape of Nanking? Unit 731?
They sneak-attacked the US and pulled them into the war, and even after they were completely defeated they would. not. stop.
It’s a very complicated issue. Debate will go on forever about whether or not the US nuking Japan was the “right” choice. It will never end because it is based on hypotheticals about what might have happened in an alternate timeline, and what the true motivations behind it might have been.
One thing is very clear though: Japan’s government and their military were beat and they should have surrendered but they did not. Their military continued to operate their systematic campaign of torture and rape.
The US had atomic bombs and responded by using them. Was it the right thing to do? Who knows. Japan’s government fucked around, repeatedly, and their citizens found out.
Putting it all on the US is a level of cope beyond anything science could have imagined.
That's interesting, do you ever get that about the treasure stolen and hoarded by the Japanese occupiers and soldiers from the Chinese and Korean people?
I recall that being a huge issue back on the early 2000's without being addressed.
Yeah it's a big issue when anyone steals artifacts. But I don't want to hear from Americans about it. That's like a serial killer complaining about another guy committing assault.
Man, that's fucking legit, I feel you there
So you'd rather have twice as many die during the invasion that would have been needed for Japan to surrender without the bomb?
Nukes are the only reason Japan wasn't wiped out entirely via invasion.
It's nice when you develop entire what if scenarios after the fact, to justify your war crimes
That isn't a "What If", that was literally our plan if the bomb was not developed in time.
It's tough to decide between which war crime to commit
Friend, Japan started that war and refused to surrender. The American people literally did not want to participate in that specific war.
The USA is really fucking good at killing people. Japan knew this and they still decided to attack.
Loss of civilian life is unavoidable when two countries initiate a full scale war. Does it suck to be on the losing end of that? Absolutely. Unfortunately, at the time, war consisted of bombing and ground warfare. Japan seemed to have no plans to leave the USA alone so the American hand was forced to pick between the few very bad options. All of them would result in a dramatic loss of life.
By that logic, 9/11 was justified cause of what America did to Arabs. By your logic, when your country invaded mine without cause and killed my people, it would have been justified for me to murder you and every American
Yep, exactly the same thing. Lmao. Your awful takes are hilarious.
Curious, what do they teach you about Japanese involvement in WW2 in your (presumably Japan's) education system?
The mothers and babies who were incinerated by American nukes weren't involved. Wanna go after the Japanese Army or government? Go for it. Don't murder babies and call it a good thing
Do you hold the Japanese military to the same standards w.r.t. their war crimes in East Asia?
Rape of nanking in particular comes to mind as an example where they are not abiding by the standards you suggest.
I would argue that was much crueler than nukes.
Yes, yes I do hold them to that standard. The Japanese Army did atrocious things in China, and just like Americans, they justified it by claiming it was the lesser evil. I don't understand why you think Japan's war crimes are a justification for nuking a city. Especially since nobody knew about those atrocities at the time, and also because Americans have never cared about dead Chinese.
I’ll make this simple for you: America did not want to be involved in the war that Japan forced them into. They were suffering mass casualties in the pacific theater. The Japanese were torturing US POWs and using suicide kamikaze attacks against US naval vessels which also resulted in huge numbers of casualties.
They figured nuking these guys a couple of times would finally get them to fucking stop, and what do you know? It did. Mission accomplished. End of story.
They were justified because doing that allowed them to finally stop getting killed and tortured by the nation that attacked them first. I too hate the fact that the Japanese imperial government put its people in such peril with so little regard for their safety.
I think it's much harder to justify systemic rape and murder of civilians across months as being the "lesser" evil, but maybe that's just me...
Your pleas to only target military and government targets would fall on much more sympathetic ears if the same country did not do this less than a decade prior.
Again. This seems so much crueler than getting nuked. The decision to take civilian lives are being repeatedly made, over the course of months, in the sickest way possible for the enjoyment of the soldiers.
At least 200k civilians killed, estimates of up to 80k women raped.
Can you honestly look me in the eye and tell me that the japanese people of that time believed only military and government should be targeted?
Targeting civilians is ok when you’re fucking around but not when you’re finding out.
Who is calling it a good thing? Nobody in this thread is celebrating the bombing. They are saying it was necessary or at least justified and they are more correct than you.