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Raising a child costs between $13k[2] and $35k[1] per year in the USA – depending on where you live and who you ask.

With a minimum wage job ($7.25/hr) you need to work about 5 to 13 hours per day to make that much – before taxes.

[1] https://smartasset.com/financial-advisor/cost-raise-child-2023

[2] https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/090415/cost-raising-child-america.asp

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[–] Seleni@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

For the love of…

I guess I need to use simple words and shorter sentences with you.

If you hire a person, you pay them a living wage.

If they’re not doing their job right, train them better.

If they still don’t work out, fire them.

There. Is. No. Reason. Not. To. Pay. Workers. A. Living. Wage.

None.

And you still haven’t answered my question. Why are you so enamored of exploiting workers?

[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml -2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Great, we are back to exactly where we were. What does society do with people that are not valuable enough to pay a “living wage”?

[–] Seleni@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Still didn’t answer my question.

[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Your question has nothing to do with what I said and is a strawman. How about my question or are we just doing strawmen now?

[–] Seleni@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It has everything to do with it as you are very insistent on underpaying people for some reason. You have yet to state that reason.

To answer your question I would need more information. Exactly what do you mean by ‘not valuable enough to earn a living wage’?

[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It has everything to do with it as you are very insistent on underpaying people for some reason.

Strawman

Some people are not valuable enough as workers to get paid a living wage, what do they do for employment or income?

[–] Seleni@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Define ‘not valuable enough’ and I’ll answer you.

[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Meaning they dont bring in enough money or value to justify the amount they earn.

[–] Seleni@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Its actually more of what they dont do than what they do.

If you didnt eat breakfast yesterday, how would you feel?

[–] Seleni@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

No. Give me concrete examples, please.

[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If you didnt eat breakfast yesterday, how would you feel?

Some obvious examples would be someone with a mental disability that cant do work very well.

[–] Seleni@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Again the vagueness. ‘Can’t work very well’. Define that. Are we talking someone who’s not mentally apt enough to do NASA rocket science but still can ring up groceries just fine? Are we talking someone wheelchair-bound so they can’t stock shelves? What level are we talking here? Because those people could still do jobs and earn a living wage.

[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If you are not able to get it by now, then I dont think its worth me explaining it again.

[–] Seleni@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

No, you’re just being purposely vague for some reason. And you really want to pay people substandard wages for some reason.

But if you legit can’t come up with any concrete examples and have to fall back on things like eating food, then fine, we can end the discussion.

[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml -1 points 7 months ago

Yes I am being vague because there are many different ways people cant be worth their cost, and you dont get it because you dont understand business and are not able to do basic logic tests.