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there's a reason it's "hard out there" you know (OC) (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by Jennykichu@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/memes@lemmy.world

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[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

"Valid" in what sense? Of course you're allowed to shame people who perpetuate terrible actions/thoughts against women. But when that group was literally created by and has grown through pre-existing, socially reinforced thoughts of shame and inadequacy, I'm going to hold you slightly responsible for that problem continuing.

[–] nac82@lemm.ee -5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I'm going to hold you responsible for defending them from criticism they need to face. You are creating a safe space for abusive ideologies to fester.

[–] Isoprenoid@programming.dev 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I’m going to hold you responsible for defending them from criticism they need to face.

These men already face the criticism, that is the driver pushing them further to become abusive and self-abusive.

What you are suggesting is cornering an animal, and then saying "Hey, we should corner it more because it's acting aggressively." and then acting surprised when it attacks you.

We need to offer these men a healthy way out which is culturally appropriate.

[–] Instigate@aussie.zone 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

What you are suggesting is cornering an animal, and then saying “Hey, we should corner it more because it’s acting aggressively.” And then acting surprised when it attacks you.

I really like this line of logic because it highlights how the insipid manosphere’s propaganda directly targets the most animalistic part of the brain - the amygdala - and uses fear and anger to propel antisocial behaviour much as a cornered animal lashes out against its captor. It’s a very apt metaphor beyond the simplistic reasoning it suggests.

[–] Isoprenoid@programming.dev -1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Translation: "I can't refute your core argument so I'll attack the way it was delivered."

Returning to the idea of rehabilitating these men, I leave you with a quote:

"You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar."

[–] Instigate@aussie.zone 1 points 7 months ago

Sorry, what? I was agreeing with you. I’m not the other poster you were arguing with.