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[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Eh, I think posts like this missing the point - feminism has a lot of shades. Some of which are actively harmful to mens mental health, some of which are very supportive.

If it's about everyone having the same rights regardless of gender - I think we're all in favour. If it's about elevating one gender over another to address historical injustice, then I think that's where points of contention lie.

Let's ask the real question - does it have to be a zero sum game? Can we have the former without the latter? Surely we can.

[–] 4lan@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It seems society has to swing that pendulum as far to either side as possible every time.

Men the best! Women the best, men evil! Women evil, Men the best!

humans are so fucking stupid, collectively. we just repeat patterns over and over and over

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 3 points 8 months ago

There is certainly a branch of feminism that seeks to work to elevate women within the patriarchal/capitalistic framework, but I think that branch of feminism reveals just how dependent patriarchy is to capital.

When you are conceiving of an anti-establishment ideology like feminism, it's a little counter-productive to divide that establishment into discrete pieces so that some elements can be ignored. If anything, patriarchy serves to reinforce capital as a secondary component: without addressing the mechanism of capital, feminism just becomes misandry.

[–] r3df0x@7.62x54r.ru 0 points 8 months ago

Capitalism and secularism are the two main contributors.

Abrahamic market socialism would turn things around.