contrast this with Corbyn, who has attended every pro-Palestine demonstration, has spoken at them, has demanded a ceasefire. Has given the only minimally moral response to the constant hectoring by the genocidal media and political class

I already knew all of that, but contrasting him with Bernie's Zionism is making me respect Corbyn more.

But he's still a succdem, so there's probably something shitty about him that will eventually sour my opinion of him, and my general hope for a better future.

[–] theturtlemoves@hexbear.net 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I don't think the comparison with Corbyn is fair. Labour looks like it will win the next election by a landslide, and whatever Corbyn says will have little impact on that. Also, criticising Israeli aggression isn't as career-ending in the UK as it is in the US. So I think Corbyn has a lot more freedom to follow his conscience, whereas Bernie has to tread very carefully.

[–] edge@hexbear.net 27 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Corbyn has been loudly anti-Zionism for his entire career AFAIK. Also it literally did end his career (well, his leadership), the "antisemitism" bullshit is what other Labour members used to tank him in 2017 and he just didn't recover from there.

And there's a difference between "treading carefully" and basically throwing full support behind Israel (but asking them to be a little nicer) like Bernie is doing.

[–] theturtlemoves@hexbear.net 1 points 8 months ago

The antisemitism bullshit was just a convenient excuse. They would have kicked him out one way or the other.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Labour looks like it will win the next election by a landslide, and whatever Corbyn says will have little impact on that.

Until he announces a new party.

[–] edge@hexbear.net 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Honestly he probably wouldn't for exactly that reason. While he is better than Bernie, I'm guessing he shares in the "we have to beat [the Tories/Trump]" sentiment.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Uhh no Corbyn absolutely doesn't share that sentiment lmao.

I believe the rumours. We heard about certain discussions before the news even started mentioning it. There were definitely enquiries and conversations going on behind closed doors.

If we split the labour vote and win constituencies forcing Labour to make a coalition to form a government we can actually force them left. There's no reason not to do it, same strategy that UKIP used against the conservative party to force them further right.

[–] edge@hexbear.net 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

There's no reason not to do it

Is Labour really that far ahead that a spoiler couldn't hand it to the Tories?

I believe the rumours. We heard about certain discussions before the news even started mentioning it.

Damn, I didn't know there's actual rumors. I thought it was more a hypothetical. Hype. Do it Jezza, please.

[–] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Nooooo not a spoiler????

[–] edge@hexbear.net 3 points 8 months ago

I don't buy the argument that the spoiler effect is the fault of the new party or that it means people shouldn't try to start a new party, but the spoiler effect is real. It's the reason FPTP is so shit. And because it's real, many succdems do think a new party would be bad (again, I don't think that). I expected Corbyn to be one of those succdems, but I guess I might be wrong, which is good.

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 22 points 8 months ago

He said the words!

Zionism is doomed. Hamas will be victorious.