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[–] frezik@midwest.social 20 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Counterpoint: Game of Thrones. The studio would have been happy to give them a few more seasons to develop a better ending. It's the creators who gave up and phoned in the ending we got.

[–] Rodeo@lemmy.ca 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

George RR Martin is the creator of game of thrones, not the show runners.

Oh wait, the original example was lotr, which also was based on books lol. Nevermind me, carry on.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

LOTR was based on a trilogy that was finished looking before the movies were made. Starting a TV show and hoping the source material would be finished in time for the end was a, um, bold move.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Even ignoring that, Martin was helping them continue it without a book to base the story on and was pushing for 10 sessions, the show creators wanted to move on and start working on another project instead and we got what we got...

[–] wildcardology@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

And they promptly lost said projects.

[–] Strobelt@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago
[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

George RR Martin was a consultant on seasons that had not yet been written as books. He told the writers where he wanted the story in the books to go, and where to take the story in the show. I doubt it's true, but a lot of fans were speculating that he made the end deliberately bad (Arya kills the Night King, Denarys goes crazy, Cersei and Kingslayer reunite to be crushed by the collapsing Red Keep, Bran becomes king) because he wanted the show to be worse than his next two books. @

[–] Strobelt@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

My head Canon is that that was the actual ending he planned and because it flopped so hard the last books will never happen

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

No man, that specific ending can be made to work. But you need good writers, several more seasons and good taste to do that. Martin gave DandD a finish line, but they had to figure the trail and make the run. They just suck at that so bad that it almost killed their entire careers, got them dropped from the job they had lined up and poisoned everything they touched for 5 years. Netflix just gave them the “3 body problem” adaptation. I'm sure it will be good because the thing is already written, and they are usually good at coloring between the lines. Just not good at coming up with new original or creative stuff.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 5 points 9 months ago

He said in interviews that he was pushing for 10 seasons, I don't think he intentionally fucked up, I think he did what he could with two showrunners that were tired of doing their job and couldn't accept that someone else would take the reins.

[–] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The only problem is that GoT didn't have any more source material, as Martin didn't finish the story (think he still hasn't?).

[–] frezik@midwest.social 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The creators were in constant touch with GRRM. They knew where he intends to go. The ending we got could be done better if things were fleshed out over a longer period of time.

[–] Volkditty@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You're assuming GRRM knows where he intends to go. Or more importantly, how he intends to get there.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 1 points 9 months ago

We know he has a specific destination in mind. It's well established that he had an outline for what was originally a trilogy. It's why the first book is heavier with hints of (for example) Jon's lineage than the others.

How to get there has clearly changed, and GRRM might not know how anymore.