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[–] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think if Hilary was President, we'd have had a serious conversation about policing reform.

Perhaps, but would it have been done in time to prevent George Floyd's death? Look at how Trump's border wall worked out despite all the effort he put towards it.

And COVID would likely still have happened unless you're willing to go so deep into the conspiracy rabbit hole to be willing to say that Democrats released in on purpose to get rid of Trump. Would she have done a better job at handling that? More people died on Biden's watch than on Trump's, even if it was only due to the fact he had to deal with it longer.

[–] rothaine@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Perhaps, but would it have been done in time to prevent George Floyd's death? Look at how Trump's border wall worked out despite all the effort he put towards it.

No, but I don't think that's the bar.

George Floyd gets murdered, people get mad, people protest; the Trump response was "lol lib cities suck, thin blue line kiddos". With Hilary maybe we could've talked about police resourcing, effective disciplinary actions, malpractice, etc. and got something done. Instead we got a gray flag with a blue stripe. And more polarization.

Not sure how the Trump wall is relevant.

Would she have done a better job at handling that?

Perhaps not, but at the very least she wouldn't have been pushing conspiracy theories on a national stage. I like to imagine she would've helped small businesses more, but the mainstream Dems won't bite the corpo hand that feeds them either, so /shrug.

More people died on Biden's watch than on Trump's, even if it was only due to the fact he had to deal with it longer.

You included your own rebuttal so I don't know what point you are trying to make.

[–] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 1 points 9 months ago

George Floyd gets murdered, people get mad, people protest; the Trump response was "lol lib cities suck, thin blue line kiddos". With Hilary maybe we could've talked about police resourcing, effective disciplinary actions, malpractice, etc. and got something done. Instead we got a gray flag with a blue stripe. And more polarization.

Yeah, I'm not saying he did a great job at handling it, mostly he just poured more oil on the fire. A more diplomatic approach likely wouldn't have hurt, even if the probability is very high that not much change would have come from it. At least as long as people are talking, they aren't burning down any cities.

Not sure how the Trump wall is relevant.

It's relevant as an example of how even the most ardent campaign promises often turn into dust during the actual term. And that's a problem that affect both sides, I just mentioned Trump here because it's a very well known example.

Perhaps not, but at the very least she wouldn't have been pushing conspiracy theories on a national stage. I like to imagine she would've helped small businesses more, but the mainstream Dems won't bite the corpo hand that feeds them either, so /shrug.

Right, see comment above. But honestly I'm still surprised he doesn't get more credit for not starting any new wars. Thanks to Biden, we're now funding massive slaughter in both Ukraine AND Israel to the tune of billions of dollars... but somehow, everyone's cool with that. But God help us if that money is spent on "corporate welfare" and turns into lower consumer prices. As if giving away all those weapons to Zelensky wasn't also massive corporate welfare for the military industrial complex. Priorities, right?