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[–] redline@lemmygrad.ml 48 points 9 months ago (35 children)

otto warmbier, was caught trying to steal a poster at his hotel in the dprk and died after being repatriated following serious health complications during his incarceration

[–] Vampire@hexbear.net 20 points 9 months ago (33 children)

they killed him because of a poster?

[–] TheDialectic@hexbear.net 7 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Looks like he got beat up by the cops after he caused a disturbance. Then died of complications. Not great. Maybe if we let the dprk have proper medical supplies that wouldn't have happened

[–] johnmccainstumor@hexbear.net 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

We don’t got to justify our violence

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 24 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Not a good take. We absolutely do need to justify whatever degree of violence we think it will take to replace capitalism -- how else are we supposed to get popular support for it? Even the "we shall not make excuses for the terror" quote immediately excuses the terror by pointing out how it's a response to the violence of "the royal terrorists." The "there were two reigns of terror" quote does the same. Justifying violence also clarifies which types of violence are necessary and which are excessive, which is another key part of building and keeping popular support (see Mao separating the PLA from the warlords by mandating that they pay for supplies from peasants rather than just stealing them, see the Red Army's punishment of sexual violence during WWII).

And that's in a revolutionary context. In a post-revoutionary AES state there's even more rationale to justify whatever violence we think is necessary to maintain that state, as the threats it faces are less imminent and it has more resources and time.

[–] TheDialectic@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago

That is a good point anti-cracker-aktion

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