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[–] Digital_Prophet@kbin.social 36 points 9 months ago (2 children)

At best he's been inoffensive. He's a "great" president only in comparison to the last guy.

[–] dudinax@programming.dev 21 points 9 months ago (2 children)

He's been better than Obama so far. He's got way more worthwhile legislation passed (with fewer Democrats in congress), he pulled out of Afghanistan, which both Obama and Donnie knew we should do, and his economic recovery was faster than Obamas.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago (3 children)

he pulled out of Afghanistan,

no. trump pulled out of Afghanistan, which is why it was a fucking shit show.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 2 points 9 months ago

Trump had no choice, as the war was won by the Taliban in like a week's offensive.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Why was it a shit show? It was one of the most successful pull-outs of all time.

They just packed up and left instead of trying prolong it with a bloody civil war between the American pedo police and the Taliban

“The reason we were here is because we heard the terrible things the Taliban were doing to people, how they were taking away human rights,” said Dan Quinn, a former Special Forces captain who beat up an American-backed militia commander for keeping a boy chained to his bed as a sex slave. “But we were putting people into power who would do things that were worse than the Taliban did — that was something village elders voiced to me.”

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/30/politics/state-deparment-afghanistan-withdrawal-report/index.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/30/us-afghanistan-war-military-pullout-report-biden-trump

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/biden-report-afghanistan-withdrawal-blames-trump-2023-04-06/

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/US-Withdrawal-from-Afghanistan.pdf

From the last one:

President Biden’s choices for how to execute a withdrawal from Afghanistan were severely constrained by conditions created by his predecessor.

....

Over his last 11 months in office, President Trump ordered a series of drawdowns of U.S. troops. By June 2020, President Trump reduced U.S. troops in Afghanistan to 8,600. In September 2020, he directed a further draw down to 4,500. A month later, President Trump tweeted, to the surprise of military advisors, that the remaining U.S. troops in Afghanistan should be “home by Christmas!” On September 28, 2021, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Milley testified that, on November 11, he had received an unclassified signed order directing the U.S. military to withdraw all forces from Afghanistan no later than January 15, 2021. One week later, that order was rescinded and replaced with one to draw down to 2,500 troops by the same date. During the transition from the Trump Administration to the Biden Administration, the outgoing Administration provided no plans for how to conduct the final withdrawal or to evacuate Americans and Afghan allies. Indeed, there were no such plans in place when President Biden came into office, even with the agreed upon full withdrawal just over three months away

Seriously... have you all forgotten what went down? Memories like goldfish.

Oh, lets take a look at articles detailing the equipment left behind:
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/27/politics/afghan-weapons-left-behind/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/27/politics/afghan-weapons-left-behind/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/27/politics/afghan-weapons-left-behind/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/27/politics/afghan-weapons-left-behind/index.html

Oh... and if that's not enough for you, lets talk about the human cost of ~~packing up~~ just leaving:

https://www.nbcnews.com/investigations/us-left-78000-afghan-allies-ngo-report-rcna18119

https://www.hudson.org/foreign-policy/helping-afghan-allies-america-left-behind-luke-coffey

https://www.npr.org/2022/08/29/1119973093/how-u-s-allies-view-the-country-a-year-after-its-withdraw-from-afghanistan

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/09/how-many-americans-and-allies-are-left-in-afghanistan/

oh, and our reputation on the world stage, because you know, we weren't the only western power in Afghansistan: https://www.npr.org/2022/08/29/1119973093/how-u-s-allies-view-the-country-a-year-after-its-withdraw-from-afghanistan

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/afghanistan/2021-09-02/american-credibility-after-afghanistan

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/afghanistan/2021-09-02/american-credibility-after-afghanistan

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/afghanistan/2021-09-02/american-credibility-after-afghanistan

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/afghanistan/2021-09-02/american-credibility-after-afghanistan

TL/DR: It was a shit show.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yeah Trump did an amazing job GTFO'ing afghanistan instead of starting another useless proxy war.

As much as I hate Orange man, withdrawing from Afghanistan has to be the best thing he actually did. There are plenty of reasons to hate on him such as ruining abortion and trying to prevent any non-white person from existing in America, but Afghanistan withdrawal is not one of them.

This was fully Biden's fault by the way:

The handling of the evacuation operation has been one of the areas where the administration and the State Department have received the most criticism, as thousands of Afghans who had served alongside US forces were left behind and those on the ground struggled through perilous circumstances to try to reach the airport and get out before government-led evacuation efforts ended.

[–] JIMMERZ@lemm.ee 19 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Yeah as far as legislation goes he’s been one of the most effective presidents we’ve had. It’s been overshadowed by the media, constant rhetoric about his age and the small handful of mistakes he made. All in all he’s been good.

[–] beardown@lemm.ee 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

It has been overshadowed by funding the genocide of Palestinians

[–] JIMMERZ@lemm.ee 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The same would happen under Trump. No escaping that truth. So pick your poison.

[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Na, Trump would say something stupid like....

....

...

You know what, I've been up for nearly 20 hours and cant get that stupid. Anyone wanna help a brotha out?

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Hold on, let me get the puke bag ready.

You can't let those those De- Palestinian guys run around. It's really unfair to Israel. And and to us! You know what they're saying; Donnie we want you to do more, send more. But the Democrats are... You know they're impeaching me again? I should have the Justice Department knock on their door. It's not fair, they're not playing fair. I should get a third term for this. That's the only really fair thing. People come up to me all the time and and they and they ask me, Mr. President (Trump just smiles for a full second) what are we going to do without you? Those nasty guys over at MSNBC are the real insurrectionists. Anyways I emergency deployed... Did you know I have that power? I do I do. I sent the 82nd Airborne to help my friend Bibi and I told them, "I like war heroes not prisoners".

Sorry that's as far as I could get before I had to fill the bucket.

[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I saw that full second smile in my head and now I don't like you. You placed it perfectly.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

That's the result of way too many hours where I had to look up a speech to see if he actually said something.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Trump would say somehting like....

neeeferrrmmmmmrmmmsmfjsdjklsdalsakjkaaaaaaaaasdfalkaksjasjsjasjasiaaaaaaaaaapffflblflblllfffbfbfbfbbfbbfkkskksspfhhpfhffpfppgpgpp

at least, that's all I really here between the greasy-fart noises whenever he speaks.

[–] Nudding@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Start rioting. If those are your only options.

[–] JIMMERZ@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Or you know, we could all get involved with the primary and off season election process and work to elect people that are inherently better than the options we got. 🤷‍♂️

[–] Nudding@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Right, business as usual neoliberalism will save the country founded on the back of a genocide and a 300 year slave trade. Good call dude.

[–] JIMMERZ@lemm.ee 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Let me know how that rioting goes for you, tough guy.

[–] Nudding@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Not my country lol. Just a neighbors advice. Keep up the moral superiority, I'm sure it won't get any worse than genocide and razor wire at the border.

[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago

If anything is been overshadowed by Trumps ego.

Palestine is just on peoples mind now

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Ahh yes I too like to refer to my housing and food costs being historically high as a handful of mistakes.

Also, 27,000 Palestinians.

He must have quite big hands.

[–] JIMMERZ@lemm.ee 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I have a feeling Biden has less to do with the rising costs of everything than the overt corporate greed displayed by the largest megacorps in the U.S. that own 90% of everything, but what do I know?

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

The US government absolutely has a hand in food prices. The housing price is something he could do stuff about but just won't.

[–] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

He's the best president of my lifetime, which isn't saying much.

[–] hglman@lemmy.ml 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Nope, been alive since Reagan. Obama was a milquetoast do-nothing that cared more about what Republicans thought than the people who actually voted for him. We delivered him a supermajority and what did he do with it? He stripped the public option from Obamacare to please Republicans and then left it out despite not getting a single Republican vote.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago

Biden has been forceful in pushing back against Republican obstructionists and right-wing extremists than Obama ever was and should've been. That's a huge thing for me.