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I've spent some time searching this question, but I have yet to find a satisfying answer. The majority of answers that I have seen state something along the lines of the following:

  1. "It's just good security practice."
  2. "You need it if you are running a server."
  3. "You need it if you don't trust the other devices on the network."
  4. "You need it if you are not behind a NAT."
  5. "You need it if you don't trust the software running on your computer."

The only answer that makes any sense to me is #5. #1 leaves a lot to be desired, as it advocates for doing something without thinking about why you're doing it -- it is essentially a non-answer. #2 is strange -- why does it matter? If one is hosting a webserver on port 80, for example, they are going to poke a hole in their router's NAT at port 80 to open that server's port to the public. What difference does it make to then have another firewall that needs to be port forwarded? #3 is a strange one -- what sort of malicious behaviour could even be done to a device with no firewall? If you have no applications listening on any port, then there's nothing to access. #4 feels like an extension of #3 -- only, in this case, it is most likely a larger group that the device is exposed to. #5 is the only one that makes some sense; if you install a program that you do not trust (you don't know how it works), you don't want it to be able to readily communicate with the outside world unless you explicitly grant it permission to do so. Such an unknown program could be the door to get into your device, or a spy on your device's actions.

If anything, a firewall only seems to provide extra precautions against mistakes made by the user, rather than actively preventing bad actors from getting in. People seem to treat it as if it's acting like the front door to a house, but this analogy doesn't make much sense to me -- without a house (a service listening on a port), what good is a door?

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[–] Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Have “smart” AI features that will detect threats even when they aren’t known yet;

This is a crazy one -- pattern recognition of traffic.

Higher throughput than your router while doing all the other operations above;

Fair point! I hadn't considered that one.

You can even argue that you can virtualize something like pfSense or OPNsense on some host

This is an intriguing idea. I hadn't heard of it before.

also virtualizes your router

How would one virtualize a router...? That sounds strange, to say the least.

[–] TCB13@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

[virtualized router/firewall] This is an intriguing idea. I hadn’t heard of it before.

Virtualized routers and firewalls are more common than you might think, specially in large datacenters and other deployments that require a lot of flexibility / SDN.

Other people just like the convenience of having a single machine / mini PC whatever that runs everything from their router/firewall to their NAS and VMs to self-host stuff.

But... at the end of the day virtualization is only mostly secure and we’ve seen cases where a compromised VM can be used to gain access to the host or other VMs, in this case the firewall could be hacked to access the entirety of your network.