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[–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Evangelists use The Bible as a shield and scripture as a weapon. I like to think actual Christians aren't these people.

[–] 1371113@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Actual Christians will be being persecuted by these people. Whether in the US or overseas.

[–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Of course because they're not strong enough to fight for their beliefs or some other bullshit. I've had someone unironically say Jesus was too soft. They've lost the plot.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I say that, but, also, not a Christian.

Jesus should have smited the Romans so hard the Etruscans got resurrected, cmv.

[–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Kinda defeats the entire point of Christianity being about mercy to the sinful if none is shown.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Oh noooo my religion has embraced militant anti-imperialism oh nooooo

[–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Oh nooo my religion that preaches pacifism in the face of literal crucifixion has become militant and I've lost the fucking plot oh nooooo

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If there's one thing imperialists can't deal with it's their slaves forgiving them and refusing to fight back.

[–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

No you're right, a good cause to rally behind are the ones who do murder not at as good at first and eventually do it better. Definitely not cyclic logic.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yes yes defending yourself or others is the same thing as murder, very wise very meek.

[–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If you defending yourself is killing someone else before they have the chance to try, yes, that's murder. Probably a commandment about that somewhere.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Don't know much about the Romans, do you?

[–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Don't know much about the teachings of Christ, do you?

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 points 9 months ago

I do, I just said he's wrong. That was kind of the whole point...

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I like to think actual Christians aren't these people.

Also known as the No True Scotsman.

[–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Well Evangelists are the people kicking in doors to convert you. Christians are just people who believe in Christian stuff.

A genuine difference.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world -2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Would you like to see PEW surveys on how they vote and what opinions they hold about minorities?

[–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Evangelists? Pretty sure I know how they feel about minorities. Surely not far off from Democrats.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world -2 points 9 months ago

Are you? Are you pretty sure about it?

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

It's always been funny to me how religious people, who follow their religious doctrine to the gritty details, are called "extremists" when they're the only ones actually following the doctrine.

You're either an extremist or a fuckin hypocrite who chooses to cherry pick which parts of the doctrine you choose to follow.

Either way their beliefs mean nothing to me and I'm absolutely fucking sick of hearing about whatever bullshit sky daddy they pray to.

[–] horsey@lemm.ee 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Fundamentalists don’t necessarily follow the tenets of the religion more accurately or thoroughly. They often have their own interpretations others disagree with, and pick and choose what to follow as much as the rest.

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

So you're either a hypocrite or a hypocrite.

Either way idgaf about which religion it's coming from. Religion has done nothing but cause problems in the modern world.

It's an ancient belief that just like geocentrism should be crushed with realism and scientific facts.

If your beliefs can't handle being destroyed by facts then they were never true to begin with and you're just lying to yourself.

(I'm using the royal you. I'm not attacking you personally)

[–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

To be fair, if you tried to follow all the rules and teachings of old religions today, you'd definitely be breaking a lot of them just by going about your daily life. If you literally followed all the stuff from the bible, you could end up being punished for even just casually saying the name of another god according to Exodus 23:13 KJV.

I can see why people don't fully follow every teaching or rule if stuff like that is cannon, but at the same time can somewhat agree religion kinda seems ancient and outdated.

[–] Atemu@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago

If you literally followed all the stuff from the bible, you could end up being punished for even just casually saying the name of another god according to Exodus 23:13 KJV.

Following a text literally is not the same as following the actual teachings of a religion.

Any "Bible" most of us can read is a revision of a translation of a translation with the additional problem of being coloured by the opinion of whoever had control over subsequent versions. You cannot take it literally. Like, at all.

If you as a translator, publisher, king or whoever had influence over a major revision of "the bible" started out with a phrase to the effect of "you shouldn't follow other religions' teachings" and had a particular pet peeve for people speaking of other gods, you could easily arrive at a wording forbidding the "mention of the name of other gods". I'm not knowledgeable about this in the slightest and cannot make any solid assertions here (though if you look at i.e. the older Wycliff version it sounds a lot less specific) but rather want this to serve as an example for just how much room there is for error in such historical documents.

There is no authoritative and exact source on the beliefs of Christianism as many assume the bible to be.

[–] horsey@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Systems like Christianity are way too complex, ancient and far removed from modern society - the Ten Commandments were pretty concise, but then there’s so many other ‘do this, don’t do that’ rules and suggestions, in Leviticus for instance, plus then the New Testament which has some things that override the old one. Then it’s tied to this supernatural gibberish and tall tales and legends that barely make sense (Noah’s Ark, for example, or Jesus magically creating food and healing people), plus centuries of rationalizations of the contradictions (Trinity) and additions used to control people (eternal hellfire!). For a book supposedly dictated by a supreme being, the Bible sure could use a damned editor. Probably the whole thing should be scrapped, but newer religions aren’t much better, if at all.