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Believe it or not, I think genocide is a bad thing - a concept I assume you're incapable of grasping given your implied defence of Israel's actions.
His stance on Israel is unpopular because it's monstrous - it's not monstrous because it's unpopular. This is a deeply stupid take in defence of a genocide.
Oh look - a peek at your comment history shows you characterising Hamas's actions as a genocide in the last 2 hours - you're a real John Wayne Gacy-type - a murderous, monstrous fucking clown that just loves dead kids.
Have you ever considered the possibility that what Israel is doing is not actually genocide?
See on the internet you can be siloed off to the point you're only ever hearing people say the same thing over and over until you start to believe it's true.
I see that's it's now popular to say that Israel is committing genocide. Have you considered that's part of an attempt to create a false equivalency narrative to claim make it seem like what Hamas did on October 7 isn't all that bad because "both sides"?
At Palestinian protests that people like to go to for a social gathering many times there are people cosplaying as Hamas guys. How do you make it palatable to people that there are people cosplaying as genocidal psychopaths at the rallies they enjoy attending? Well you gotta normalize genocide. Israel is doing genocide too! I'm in another thread where people are claiming that Obama committed genocide as well.
Maybe Fetterman just isn't going along with these attempts to normalize genocide. The Palestinian movement is a violent movement with a lot of antisemitism problems that hasn't made any real effort to disassociate itself from the genocidal actions of Hamas. Violent, antisemitic, anti-democracy movements that are all about the blood and soil "from the river to the sea" type shit have been popular in the past, you know. And they tend to accuse others of the crimes that they do. But some of us have read enough history to understand that it's not a good idea to buy into these kinds of movements.
Hamas is an anti-democracy antisemitic group that has committed genocide. They accuse Israel of committing genocide. And you believe them simply because it's a popular thing to do?
Over 10,000 children have been killed in Gaza. 10,000 kids, teenagers, infants, preteens, toddlers Dead. Any conflict with that many literal children killed is clearly fucked up beyond reason and highly likely to be officially classified as a genocide
You do understand that civilian casualties have happened in nearly every war in history? You're just claiming that all war is genocide. But then we need to come up with a term for when a group deliberately target civilians which is what Hamas did and Israel is not doing. Or maybe we just continue to describe what Hamas did as genocide and what Israel is doing as a war. Because we already have the necessary words needed to describe the distinction between a group that is deliberately targeting and killing civilians (genocide) and a group that is in conflict with another combatant and that conflict causes civilian casualties (war).
Now I understand that many people have spent most of the formative life thinking Israel is the bad guys and Palestine is the good guys. But things are so black and white. Netanyahu is an asshole, but most Israelis are good people. The children that were murdered by Hamas did nothing wrong.
Most Palestinians are good people, but have been living under the oppressive government of Hamas for so long many have been radicalized and antisemitic. Hamas is straight up genocidal psychopaths. Hamas is obviously bad for Israel but is also an oppressive government that for the last decade and half has indoctrinated people from a young age to make them capable of genocide. We don't like genocide, right? So Hamas has to be eliminated or at least diminished to the point where it's no longer able to hold power. Then Hamas won't be able to commit future genocide. Which is what we want right?
So how do you go about preventing Hamas from committing future genocide? Ask them nicely? You see the problem with the kind of psychopaths that actually commit genocide is sure they'll agree to a ceasefire, but the goal is to survive, regroup and commit genocide again. So how do we remove Hamas from the equation? War is actually the only option. Wars do result in civilian war. This is a war that was started because of the genocide Hamas committed. Hamas are a group of psychopaths that don't care about the deaths of Palestinian civilians. In fact they consider them to be Shahids, so civilian deaths are a good thing to them. So a war against a group that wants their own civilians to die is obviously going to have a lot of civilian casualties. They built hundreds of miles of tunnels to keep themselves safe, not to keep the 10,000 kids, teenagers, infants, preteens, toddlers you mentioned safe.
It's an odd thing isn't it? It's Israel's responsibility to keep Palestinian civilians safe, but nobody even considers what Hamas' responsibility is in terms of keeping Palestinian civilians safe. Why is this? Because we all know that Hamas is a monster. But we also want to keep this monster alive? Why?
Bruh stop projecting. All I care about in any conflict is that is that civilians aren't needlessly placed in danger and as a second priority combatant lives are minimally endangered as well.
Over 10,000 CHILDREN KILLED and you're blathering about radicalization. You know what radicalizes people? Being the victim of a genocide. I fail to see how murdering hundreds of thousands of civilians prevents radicalization. You are sick and twisted if you seriously believe these civilian deaths are acceptable. You have to be pretty sick to so much as suggest that these countless deaths are acceptable.
Then why not call for Hamas to surrender and face justice for the genocide they committed? That's what started this war. And yes what Israel is doing is a war, not genocide. Not matter how many times you push this propaganda, it doesn't make it true. It just makes the Palestinian movement look more and more unhinged.
Are you so twisted you let Hamas off the hook for actual genocide? If Hamas surrenders, the civilian casualties would stop. Why do you think Hamas is not responsible for this war? Why do you think the deaths of Jews is acceptable?
Do you think it's acceptable for Hamas to hide in underground bunkers while the civilian population is above them at the mercy of an army they claim is committing genocide? Why don't the civilians just tell the IDF where the tunnels are so they can finish the job, and end this war?
Then why not call for Hamas to surrender and face justice for the genocide they committed?
Because by the dictionary and UN definitions, Israel's actions, not Hamas's are genocidal, and it would be silly to surrender to a group that's made no secret of the fact that they intend to exterminate you. Should German Jews have surrendered to the Nazis? Maybe Ukraine to Russia? If not, what's the difference?
Do you really not know what Hamas did on October 7?
Explain to me how what you're doing right now is different from holocaust denial.
I'm well aware of what happened on October 7th. It's not Holocaust denial because I'm not denying the Holocaust - it happened and was terrible - I'm fighting against similar things happening again.
I'll ask again.
Should German Jews have surrendered to the Nazis in World War 2, should Ukraine surrender to Russia, and if not, why not?
The reason you can't answer this that you sole principle is the defence of Israel - you're denying a genocide (by both the dictionary and UN definitions I use), while inventing one (by the same definition). This is also why you can't define genocide. When you have a definition to point to and coherent principles like I do, it's easy - none of them should surrender - the far greater power they'd surrender to have the only real ability to stop the conflict, and surrender would just see them exterminated anyway.
It's your turn to answer those questions, Jitler.
You expect us to read all that bullshit?
Yeah I shouldn't expect people that think Israel is committing genocide will be capable of reading anything.
Unfortunately complex foreign policy issues can't be communicated in meme form. Just vote for Dark Brandon, the guy in the memes with the laser eyes (But remember it will say "Joe Biden" on the ballot) and you can go back to mindlessly consuming memes.
Get fucked genocide supporter.
Also, I'm not American.
You get another Israeli quote dump - this time the absolutely unhinged, openly genocidal rhetoric from Revital "Tally" Gotliv, an Israeli lawyer and member of the Knesset for the Likud.
Considering the fact that the Israeli government is shouting this comically evil nonsense, annexing Palestinian territory with "settlers", flattening Palestinian territories, killing well over a hundred journalists reporting on the genocide, blockading the supply of water, food, aid, building and medical supplies, trade, movement, the ability to return in open-air concentration camp conditions and an apartheid state - all while killing tens of thousands of people - mostly civilians.
I'll ask you yet again, Rudolph Jitler - What is your definition of genocide? I ask because it's obvious you're not using the dictionary or UN definitions, and are obviously deferring to feels.
MGT and Lauren Boebert (US members of congress) say crazy shit all the time.
Some members of legislatures are weirdos. It happens sometimes in a democracy. I guess Hamas doesn't have this kind of problem, huh?
Deliberately targeting civilians of specific ethnic group. Israel is targeting Hamas combatants, who have embedded themselves in the Gaza civilian population like a tick. If Hamas would surrender and face justice for their crimes the fighting would be over and there would be no more civilian casualties.
Civilian casualties in Gaza happen where Hamas is present. Civilian casualties on October 7 happened where the IDF wasn't present. See the difference?
It's not all that complicated, really.
Also breaking news: it seems that some of the perpetrators of October 7 were on the UN payroll. That's crazy, right? It's possible the UN may be complicit in genocide. Shit could get really crazy now.
JIDF detected.
Nah, just the grandson of someone that went to Europe and had some problems with some antisemitic assholes that acted like an awful lot of people are acting today.
So... JIDF.
TL:DR: Based on your nonsense, if the US decides to nuke Netanyahu because he's a fucking lunatic, that wouldn't be a genocide because unlimited civilian casualties are legitimate, and so long as you have the most implausible excuse that you're not targeting a specific ethnic group, you're in the clear.
I've already shared genocidal quotes from the Israeli Prime Minister and senior defence officials who absolutely control whether or not they commit a genocide - this isn't a sole lunatic senator with little meaningful power.
Hamas say crazy shit, and have for years - which is why I've already asked you why Israel backed their rise to power over the secular moderates knowing that they were insane if not to create the pretext for the genocide you're denying.
Your definition of genocide is stupid enough that it includes any ethnically motivated hate crime or even marketing campaign. If I say "I'm going to slap a white person" then do it, that's genocide by your definition. If I launch an advertising campaign looking to sell guns to Israeli settlers in the West Bank, even that's genocide by your unfathomably moronic definition. Yet you insist that in spite of Israeli leadership shouting about exterminating Palestinians and Muslims, tens of thousands of civilians killed, including ten thousand children, countless warcrimes, the maintenance of an apartheid state, the maintenance of what the UN has called an open air concentration camp, and rendering the area uninhabitable, that's not a genocide.
You are both utterly monstrous and pitifully stupid.
Speaking of moronic bullshit - have you got a source for that more credible than The Daily Genocide Afficionado? I'll remind you that Hamas were on the Israeli payroll, and I'm pretty sure I've already shared quotes substantiation this.
If you've read any history, you'd know the US did use nuclear weapons on cities before. Twice in fact. It's not considered genocide.
That's just conspiracy bullshit. "The Jews have been orchestrating everything all along" type conspiracy shit.
You seem hyper-focussed on race. If you go into villages and massacre every man woman and child you find there, that's genocide. Hamas murdered people for being the ethnicity they hate.
They are trying to kill Hamas. Shocking that Israel would want to kill Hamas in the Israel-Hamas war.
You seem to think Hamas = Palestine. Hamas is a terrorist group. Seems racist on your part to think of all Palestinians as terrorists.
Maybe try to get out your information bubble and open any major news outlet? This isn't exactly obscure information.
A nuke would delete Israel and its inhabitants - you can stop demonstrating how moronic your definition of genocide is now - my point is well and truly made.
Sigh here it is from the IDF leadership at the time among others... Again, why did Israel fund Hamas if not to create the pretext for the genocide they're now committing?
Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, (Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s) telling a New York Times reporter that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a “counterweight” to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat.
Unsurprisingly, Arafat also referred to Hamas as
Avner Cohen
Moving on...
You were the one to raise race - your definition of genocide is hyper-focused on it. I was demonstrating how stupid or dishonest you are.
Go re-read your dumb definition of genocide, then pick up a dictionary or the UN definition - I'm sure even you can figure out why this is a dumb thing for you to say.
They're trying to exterminate all Palestinians and making meaningful headway within the constraints of maintaining US support. Your defence isn't remotely plausible given what I've presented.
It's you and Israel fronting that position, but as bad as your racism is, it pales in comparison to you working this hard to defend a genocide, and painting the actions of the victims of that genocide as a genocide itself.
Making transparently dumb, dishonest claims you can't back? How refreshing.
I'm not sure if it'd be worse that you belive any of this, you're lying because you want the genocide, or if you're on the payroll, but if it's the latter, they're not getting their money's worth. Of course, denying an obvious genocide can't be easy - maybe just don't.
I've considered the possibility that what Israel are doing isn't genocide - then I picked up a dictionary and the UN definition, and that cleared things up nicely.
Where do you get your definition of genocide?