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Who would've thought? This isn’t going to fly with the EU.

Article 5.3 of the Digital Markets Act (DMA): "The gatekeeper shall not prevent business users from offering the same products or services to end users through third-party online intermediation services or through their own direct online sales channel at prices or conditions that are different from those offered through the online intermediation services of the gatekeeper."

Friendly reminder that you can sideload apps without jailbreaking or paying for a dev account using TrollStore, which utilises core trust bugs to bypass/spoof some app validation keys, on a iPhone XR or newer on iOS 14.0 up to 16.6.1. (ANY version for iPhone X and older)

Install guide: Trollstore

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[–] erranto@lemmy.world 75 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Those who buy apple products deserve each other.

[–] laughterlaughter@lemmy.world 43 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Exactly my thoughts. "Let's jailbreak this, bypass that, circumvent that one thing..." Why do you subject yourself to this with a device you paid hundreds of dollars for?

As much as I'd like to have an iPhone, I'd rather not.

As an aside, it's the same thing with game consoles. Is the whole "you must be connected to the internet" thing still happening? That's what has been preventing me from getting a new xbox, for example.

[–] SeekPie@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Steam Deck is pretty awesome in the offline gaming regard, if that's what you might be looking for.

[–] Toribor@corndog.social 9 points 10 months ago

I'd argue that there are a lot of offline mode frustrations with Steam but none of them are Steam's fault, they are all due to individual games online requirements or DRM implementations.

[–] yamanii@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Uh, it's actually quite the opposite, most games you need to at least open them one time while connected to the internet for offline to work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itBscLjRCPc

[–] uranibaba@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

But that is not the fault of Steam Deck, which was discussed.

[–] kevincox@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago

Steam literally warns you for every game. It tells you if you need to be online once or online every time. I don't think you can blame them. If you buy games that require an online activation you can't get upset that you can't play offline.

Example games:

  • Always online
    • Singleplayer gameplay requires an active Internet connection

  • Online activation
    • This game's first-time setup requires an active Internet connection

I do wish that this wasn't hidden inside of the "Steam Deck Compatibility" section. (There is a yellow box about third-party DRM outside, but for the details you need to click the Steam Deck Compatibility box) But that is my only complaint.

Personally I just don't buy these games.

[–] SeekPie@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

At least you can run the games in offline, even when you have to log in the first time.

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[–] Gestrid@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I remember way back when I had my iPod Touch 4 (haven't touched Apple since then) that I (intentionally) jailbroke it simply by tapping a button on a website in Safari. It was an exploit that used a bug in iOS's PDF software, I believe.

[–] laughterlaughter@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

I remember that technique as well. I thought it was neat.

[–] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 9 points 10 months ago (5 children)

I have a macbook and I'm quite happy, what am I doing wrong?

[–] Capitao_Duarte@lemmy.eco.br 25 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Honestly? Nothing. People just say this kind of thing because we like to tinker with our devices. If what you bought satisfies your needs and you don't need more, that's just ok. Android/windows/linux has a lot more conveniences for my use, so that's what I go for, but not everyone is the same

[–] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 8 points 10 months ago (8 children)

Android/windows/linux has a lot more conveniences for my use

That's kind of my point. I don't get the aggression people have for someone using different brand.

[–] mako@lemmy.today 13 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I don't get the aggression people have for someone using different brand.

People identify the business decisions that Apple makes to be anti-consumer. They then feel frustration and anger for users of Apple products as support for their products only emboldens Apple to continue making anti-consumer decisions, such as the subject of this article.

Apple is a microcosm representation of the evils of capitalism for many people and they project their feelings about it - powerlessness, disgust, anger, etc. - onto users of Apple products. People associate support for iPhones which enjoys a 61% US market share as support for the boot of capitalism on our throats regardless of whether the Apple user doesn't know, doesn't care, or doesn't agree.

[–] SeekPie@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Also Apple's anti-consumer decisions usually transfer to other places (such as Android) aswell, because they have a lot of influence on the rest of the market.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Pretty much this. If other brands see the vitriol, then they might think "well, guess not being that way is a way to be competitive".

If everyone sounds perfectly cool with that facet, then everyone else goes "sweet, the Apple way gives the vendor more control over the customer, and control over the customer is valued, if we think we can get away with it"

[–] echodot 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If it just remains Apple who did it i wouldn't mind but there they are a bit of a product leader.

Off forging the way ahead for under consumer BS everywhere.

[–] mako@lemmy.today 2 points 10 months ago

Agreed. This is what I was implying by citing their OS market share in mobile devices in the US and I could have clarified better.

[–] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So kind of moral consumerism thing?

[–] mako@lemmy.today 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If labeling it helps you to understand it, sure.

[–] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I just wanted to clarify if I understood the point correctly, labeling just shortens the answer.

[–] mako@lemmy.today 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I don't know if you understand the point. I and other users have tried to help. If you have any more specific questions, just ask.

[–] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 1 points 10 months ago

That's why I summarized and asked if that's the case. The hypothesis from the person I replied to, seemed to be that it's due to people believing there is some moral obligation in consumer choice and it extending to apple making questionable, consumer unfriednly decision, therefore they can be mad and rude towards people buying apple products. I can get it.

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[–] uranos@sh.itjust.works 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

A MacBook is the only Apple product I'm happy with cause it's actually open in terms of being able to install any app I want and modify some things like how windows are managed.

[–] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 3 points 10 months ago

I had an iPhone, but for my use case they are just to expensive. I have a 100 euro android phone that does everything I ever need.

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

Come back when you have a problem with your keyboard*, or your drive, or charging issue. Repairability is downright bad now.

I like OSX well enough.* I like the form factor of the MacBooks now that they have escape keys again. It's been 9 years since they made a MacBook that was reasonably decent to work on from the inside though. Even swapping a broken screen out is* like 3 hours now.

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[–] LemmyRefugee@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

There are 3 kind of people when talking about Apple: 1- fanatics who support Apple, 2-fanatics who hate Apple and think you cannot like it, 3- and finally those who just look at the product without thinking about the brand but what you can do with the product (if it suits your needs or not). It seems like you are that third kind of person.

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You're supporting manipulative evil business practices.

[–] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Don't get people that upset by using microsoft or google products. It something about apple that makes people quite unhinged.

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Uhh no. If you think that, you're not paying attention at all. Most of the main feed of Lemmy is raging at Google right now and Microsoft is only catching a break because Bill Gates recently got together with ultra wealthy people writing a letter asking to be taxed.

[–] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Not the companies the users of their products.

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

We've been pushing people to lessen their reliance on Google for ages now. We've even been developing a replacement software store Suite called FUTO! The difference between Apple and Google though, is that Apple's users continue on despite Apple being so very obviously evil. Google is at least being a creep about it.

https://youtu.be/CjOJJc1qzdY?si=xQw-qEnQ5HxDum4d

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[–] gapbetweenus@feddit.de -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Love that you yourself used a youtube link. I find it very interesting how judgmental people almost always put themselves outside the measures they apply to other people.

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's where I find Louis Rossmann and his audience.

[–] gapbetweenus@feddit.de -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You are ok with people who repair macbooks but not with people who own macbooks, the plot thickens.

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Oh, you're one of those. We're done here.

[–] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 0 points 10 months ago

Sorry to disappoint you. So you are judgmental and somehow thin skinned - best combo.

[–] lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 10 months ago

but apple sets "standards" that other companies blindly follow. it's the reason why we have non-removable batteries, no charger inside the box, no audio jack, etc.