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[–] DeadNinja@lemmy.world 128 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Excuse me - if I bought your product and paid for it, in what universe am I not investing into you, and instead you are investing into me??

HP is a steaming pile of shit.

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 42 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Because they sell the printers at loss, expecting you to buy their overpriced ink, continually earning them money for years.

Sounds like a subscription to be honest.

[–] ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com 23 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I know we assume they're following the "razor blade" model but I actually find it hard to believe the printers are sold at a loss given how cheap it is to produce at this point.

Unless by "loss" we're saying "less than HP thought it could extract."

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

They're absolutely not producing them at a loss. The loss is only in their projections and expectations to price gouge their customers.

[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago (2 children)

They want to make it a subscription that starts automatically when you buy the printer. No payment or the linked credit card expires, no more printing. Keep on paying for that subscription each month even if you don't print a single page.

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

HP literally has that already. They call their dystopian product "Instant ink."

[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

And they're fuming because they can't force this down the throat of every "bad investments". Not yet anyway.

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

But they're really trying with HP+ printers that come with a 3 month trial of Instant Ink. And it's not like you lose the ability to use 3rd party cartridges, because those HP+ printers already come locked down from factory. Those HP+ printers also have extra REQUIREMENTS: HP Account and internet connection.

Imagine if you needed internet connection and some account to control your lights. Oh, Philips Hue changed their ToS, so now you do.

[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Why internet of things is a bad idea for 500, Alex.

[–] Archer@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Here was I, thinking printers couldn’t get worse

[–] RatherBeMTB@sh.itjust.works 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The real question here is where are the Chinese printers?! I mean, it's a big market, why aren't they getting into it?

[–] frezik@midwest.social 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's really hard to break into it. Being accurate enough to print at 300dpi is very difficult, and that's not particularly impressive. If it's color, then the problems are multiplied. You have to precisely align four different print heads (minimum), and the ink needs to be mixed just right for accurate colors.

This is also why you don't see open source 2d printers like you do for 3d printers. On the surface, adding a third dimension seems like it'd make things more complicated, but 3d printers don't need the level of accuracy that 2d printers do.

[–] RatherBeMTB@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 months ago

But I would think TVs and microchips are more complicated than printers. And those two have been cracked by the Chinese.