Microsoft these last few months really has shown that Apple is better about privacy than they are (not that they’re amazing). It just doesn’t even compare anymore though. M$ is injecting tracking and advertising into literally everything now and selling to 3rd partied with impunity. It’s absurd.

Let me be clear that Apple is also not your friend. But when we are taking a birds eye view of all computer users, we have to think about the floor. And the floor at Microsoft is ridiculously low right now.

[–] programmer_belch@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Problem with apple is they only support their computers. For an os you can slap onto anything you should compare windows to linux. However the linux users proportion isn't that big to give an accurate comparison.

[–] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

problem with Apple is the only support their computers

I mean, that’s a legitimate complaint, but I’m not really sure how that is germane when critiquing how Microsoft is treating their own products since the whole point is Apple doesn’t do that with their own products to the same degree. That’s my point of comparison here.

Big fan of Linux in general, and I am in the process of trying to convert over to it. I will need to have a Mac in my life for the foreseeable future because I am a professional editor, but beyond that I think I can make the leap to Linux as my daily driver.

[–] DecentralizeTheWorld@lemmy.whynotdrs.org 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What does Apple do with our data?

[–] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

A lot of it is internal usage which is (usually) reasonable. And there isn’t anything as expansive as what we see Microsoft doing as far as I can tell. But given their size and reach I would say it’s safe to assume there is something(s) going on with our data we probably object to. They do overall seem more committed to privacy on their machines.

[–] rusticus@lemm.ee -5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Just so I understand your reasoning, you have no evidence or examples of Apple using or abusing your data but you assume they do because (checks notes) their “size and reach”?

[–] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

You are asking a legitimate question and I would be happy to answer it, but based on your tone and your use of the ridiculously overused/needlessly antagonistic “checks notes” joke you’re not here to have an actual conversation.

Edit:

Screw it here’s your answer before you claim I’m dodging it.

This is the company that cooperates with law enforcement the vast majority of the time by handing over vast swaths of user data and used to put in back doors that they would utilize to cooperate with warrants. They also do allow apps to collect data.

So no, it’s not just because they are massive, but because they are massive and have a track record that is pretty gray at best.

I am writing this on my iPhone, I do my work on a Mac. This isn’t some anti-Mac stuff or whatever. I just am acknowledging reality.

[–] rusticus@lemm.ee -4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You are conflating compliance with law enforcement warrants, which is a legal requirement, with blatant usage of non-anonymized data FOR PROFIT. Really? Shame on you.

[–] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

If your loyalty to Apple is so strong that you can’t bother to read what I took the time to put together, or even have healthy skepticism and take basic measures to protect yourself, then this conversation was a mistake to pursue. “Shame on me” indeed. Later man, not wasting my time further.

[–] rusticus@lemm.ee -1 points 9 months ago

And if you can't understand the privacy difference between using your data for profit and complying with law enforcement warrants you are being the disingenuous one here. Again, shame on you.