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[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 13 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Whenever people talk about how difficult Linux is to install i ask them if they've installed Windows lately. They all say "yes". I do not believe a word of it, though. If they had done so--or more likely, tried to do so--there's no way they'd have that opinion. I'm sure they've gone into their OEM's recovery menu and hit "reinstall" or whatever, but that's a very different process.

[–] Shalade@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

It's "hard" to us because we actually uncheck the telemetry settings and care about not having a Microsoft account on, including the additional debloating afterwards. For the average user, clicking next every step, ignoring the data harvesting effort and creating / using a Microsoft account is part of the experience and "normal" to them.

[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's funny because I've built like six Windows machines and the install process is always a snap. You just select what drive to install to, what telemetry options you want on/off, and then press start.

You don't even have to have an Internet connection/Microsoft account if you don't want to, you can just create a local one.

I don't understand how you guys have such a hard time with it. Certain distros of Linux are pretty easy to get going, but Windows is only hard if you refuse to leave your Linux knowledge bubble, ever.

Sure we can talk about how you have to go in and do X and Y in order to get it configured how YOU want, but that shit applies in Linux too.

[–] thejevans@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I don't know when the last time you tried to install Windows was, but when I installed Windows 11 Pro yesterday, there was no obvious option to install without an internet connection and a Microsoft account. To make that option appear, I had to hit shift+f10 at the country selection screen to open a command prompt and run the script located at "oobe\bypassrno.cmd" to have the option "I don't have an internet connection" to pop up and allow me to bypass needing a Microsoft account.

[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I've never installed Windows 11 outside of assisting company IT, but we have install media/network based images we can push.

I'm referring to W10, I don't like 11 at all.

[–] thejevans@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago

That's fine, and people said the same thing about Windows 10, and Windows 7, and Windows XP, and...

If you control for bloat, tracking, and ads, the install process for Windows versions has gotten steadily more difficult as time goes on. Installing Windows 11 is a snap, too, ... if you don't care about all the crap they added.

The thing us Linux users are complaining about is not how easy it is to install if you accept the enshittification that Microsoft forces, but how difficult it is to install without it.

[–] SaltySalamander@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

when I installed Windows 11 Pro yesterday, there was no obvious option to install without an internet connection and a Microsoft account

.....

Christ on a fucking cracker man, leave the fucking ethernet cable unplugged...

[–] SaltySalamander@kbin.social -2 points 10 months ago

Installing Windows from scratch is as easy, if not easier, than installing Linux. If you think it's difficult, that really seems like a you problem.