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Like holy shit imagine the amount of cognitive dissonance you must need to defend democrats not doing anything while in office xD
The point is that they do things but it would never be good enough for smug contrarians
Oh yea they do so much, like forgive student loa--sorry I mean being the most pro union preside--I mean putting an end to genoci--I mean raising the minimum wa--wait wait I swear liberals don't just sit on their ass all day and collaborate with the GOP just gimme a sec
I saw a list of things Biden had done so far a year ago and I'm sure you'd shit all over it but it's not nothing
I saw one too, I didn't read the whole thing but what I saw was 80% half-fulfilled promises and 20% just blatantly bad shit like supporting Israeli occupation of Palestine and expanding our oil industry. I'd almost rather he literally didn't do anything instead of just figuratively doing nothing
I saw the same list. There was also a lot of duplicate entries, taking credit for the UAW's work, and giving Biden credit for Obama's accomplishments.
Oo yea I forgot how many dupes were in that list xD you'd think God Emperor Dark Brandon would have at least done enough to fill out a small list, but nope
This is fascinating. Your comments come across as very combative and angry, while most responses read and feel calm, if defensive, and often trying to process a point with other facts or claims. I want to ask why you don't shift how you say things and support your arguments? I shit you not, most of us on the not-fascist side don't mind listening to alternative views and perspectives. They just need to be laid out in a way that also doesn't make us feel as if we need to go on the defensive. That's conversation. It'll get us all somewhere rather than drawing lines just to draw them.
Honestly a lot of it is just that I have barely treated anger issues and I'm going through drug withdrawals. That's not an excuse to be an asshole on the internet, I'm just really struggling to not throw my phone against the wall, let alone write a measured reply to people who think I'm worse than a trump voter.
It doesn't help that whenever I bring up not really liking biden or being on the fence about voting for him, a bunch of smug liberals come out to tell me I'm a nazi for not voting for someone barely left of reagan who p much never opposes republicans or corporations. Even under good circumstances I don't take well to being called a Nazi, so I go on the offensive.
I'm also open to having my mind changed, and even voting for biden if it turns out he's better than I thought. It still seems like the logical choice to try and outlast culture war conservatives, though I'm really really starting to doubt whether democrats will ever stop going right, which makes voting for them feel like keeping the valve closed on a boiler that's about to explode. I'd love to hear how Dark Brandon is actually the best president since Jesus, but I haven't seen any indication he's better than any other right wing neolib
Thank you for the measured reply. Honestly, I know it takes effort, possibly doubly so for you. I've always been of the mind that if a policy or idea makes sense, if it's actually good, I'll support it. Whomever else supports it doesn't matter to me, or their reasons. Every day people make the right choices for the wrong reason, and I say let them make those choices. The issue for every single one of us, myself included, is that our perception of right and wrong is always marred by our experiences, our personal perspective.
An example of this is I will vote Biden just to make sure Trump doesn't end up in power again. I foresee a future under his dictatorship where many will suffer. Not because of him, because his base and the Republicans that bow to him, will become emboldened, and the people that know how, will manipulate him. As we've seen: What many of us would consider rash choices or unwise decisions are daily drivers for the Far Right. Yet many of them likely believe they're correct, some of them justified under unusual circumstances in their minds, others having essentially spent a life time only listening to specific rhetoric.
If any reader makes it this far, thank you. I dislike choosing sides and believe that the majority of us simply wish to live a good life. Even the ones who only wish for others to have a bad life are inversely projecting on their desires to have it better themselves. This divide in our culture is orchestrated and it'd be wonderful if we stopped dancing to the movement of the strings held by the weathly and influential.
Pathetic
It is truly pathetic not liking a president who's speeding us towards climate apocalypse 👍
Heck yea downvote me for opposing climate change, that totally doesn't make you a reactionary xD democrats could literally implement The Final Solution Pt 2 and you asskissers would still be voting blue no matter who
Yah we get it you're smart and morally superior
I'm glad you get it :3 I'd be more glad if you had a thought in your head other than "vote blue no matter who or you're a Nazi"
Third party voters are idiots
People who think voting for Democrats who roll over for Republicans to run rampant reforming our systems to partisan garbage so we'll be ruled by fascism in 8 years instead of 4 are idiots.
Great job standing up for pRiNcIpLeS! Trump agrees!
BoTh SiDeS
What has any Democrat done to stop the march to fascism except pay lip service?
Right because if I named some things you totally wouldn't shit all over them
Sounds like you don't have any examples xD I'm very much willing to be proven wrong, but you're a troll who doesn't actually wanna make any arguments so rip :c
If you were open to examples you wouldn't be arguing in bad faith.
I'm not "arguing in bad faith", I'm dunking on dumbass l*berals on lemmy bc they think I'm a Nazi for not supporting genocide and climate apocalypse :3
Remember to breathe. It’s just a person on the internet. Que sera, sera.
Jokes aside I would really genuinely appreciate any kind of reason to vote for genocide joe over literally anyone else who isn't a republican. I've been trying to brace myself to cast the shitty strategic vote for him, but the more unions he fucks over, the more Palestinian children he bombs, the more he waits to forgive student loans, the more he and other dems refuse to stop literal fascism, etc etc, the more trouble I have justifying voting for a Democrat ever again
There isn't an answer. You're looking for the perfect solution but not taking into account that the entire system is broken. The reason I voted for Biden was because the other options would have been much worse. That's not an admission that Biden is good mind you. The problem is the entire system is broken in the first place.
I fail to see how voting for one of the two parties that keeps going farther and farther right will take things back to the left. Republicans are obviously worse, but the only way I see VBNMW working is if democrats just magically decide to start going left and actually start doing things some day, which won't happen if they know we'll vote for them no matter what senile neolibs they offer us
I'm sorry, but can you point to where I said any of that?
Did you have to for me to say it? I want things to get better, not just stay the same or get worse, just saying I see biden and 99% of dems as the latter and I don't think they're gonna get better if we just vote for them constantly
Let's pretend for a second you don't understand how our elections work: a third party candidate in all of modern history has barely gotten any votes, only enough to hand victory to the Republican. It's not hard to understand. A third grader would have no problem getting it. Why do you?
Democrats aren't owed my vote. If they don't wanna represent the interests of me and other Americans, I'm not gonna vote for them. If you told a third grader they need to vote to support genocide and oppose workers' rights I really doubt they'd get it as easily as you think
A third grader has to eat their vegetables. They may not like it, but they have no trouble understanding that the vegetables are healthy. Inb4 'electing Biden isn't "healthy"' yeah no shit, but the options clearly are trump or Biden and there's no comparing the two.
If you vote any way but blue in an election with trump, you have said to the world, "making a point is more important than consequences" and you will be directly partially responsible if trump is elected. If Trump is not elected, then you can claim you made a point, but the action you took still was reckless and imperiled current and future generations.
The United States of America cannot withstand another term of trump. Israel will absolutely be more emboldened and supported by trump, but really that will be the least of our issues.
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Holy shit: the lack of your knowledge on how legislation works is astounding.
Centrists think doing nothing is the same as doing good.