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Turns out, it is.
What should a website do when you present it with correct credentials?
IP-based mitigation strategies are pretty useless for ATO and credential stuffing attacks.
These days, bot nets for hire are easy to come by and you can rotate your IP on every request limiting you controls to simply block known bad IPs and data server IPs.
The attackers used IPs situated in their victims regions to log in, across months, bypassing rate limiting or region locks / warnings
I don't know if they did but it would seem trivial to just use the tokens in-situ once they managed to login instead of saving and reusing said tokens. Also those tokens are the end user client tokens, IP locking them would make people with dynamic IPs or logged in 5G throw a fuss after the 5th login in half an hour of subway
Yeah 2FA should be a default everywhere but people just throw a fuss at the slightest inconvenience. We very much need 2FA to become the norm so it's not seen as such
I'm cool with 2fa, I'm not cool with a company demanding my cellphone number to send me SMS for 2fa or to be forced to get a 2fa code via email...like my bank. I can ONLY link 2fa to my phone. So when my phone goes missing or stolen, I can't access my bank. Only time I have resisted 2fa is when this pooly implemented bullshit happens.
Pro tip, when making a new Google account and putting your phone number in be sure to look into more options. There is a choice to only use it for 2fa and not for data linking.
2 factor beats the hell outta that "match the horse with the direction of the the arrow 10x" bs
Not then give you access to half their customers' personal info?
Credential stuffing 1 grandpa who doesn't understand data security shouldn't give me access to names and genetics of 500 other people.
That's a shocking lack of security for some of the most sensitive personal data that exists.
You either didn’t read or just really need this to be the company’s fault.
Those initial breaches lead to more info being leaked because users chose to share data with those breached users before their accounts were compromised.
When you change a setting on a website do you want to have to keep setting it back to what you want or do you want it to stay the first time you set it?
That's a feature of the service that you opt into when you're setting up your account. You're not required to share anything with anyone, but a lot of people choose too. I actually was able to connect with a half-sibling that I knew I had, but didn't know how to contact, via that system.
Nobody "needs" it, lol. People do it because it's interesting to them. That's why it's opt-in.
Why does Facebook need to show you other people's profiles and posts? Why does Lemmy show me your profile and posts? It's how those services work, and people choose to use those services because they work that way.
Hi! If you've used it, there's something I was curious about - how many people's names did it show you?
If 50%+ of the 14000 had the feature enabled, it was showing an average of 500-1000 "relatives". Was that what you saw? What degree of relatedness did they have?
I don't think that opting in changes a company's responsibility to not launch a massive, inevitable data security risk, but tbh I'm less interested in discussing who's to blame than I am in hearing more about your experience using the feature. Thanks in advance!
This list shows 1500 people for me. I assume that's just some arbitrary limit to the number of results. There's significantly overlap in the relationship lists, so the total number of people with data available is less than the (14000 x 0.5 x 1500) than the math might indicate.
My list of possible relations goes from 25% to 0.28% shared DNA. That's half-sibling down to 4th cousin (shared 3rd-great-grandparents).
The only thing I can see for people who I haven't "connected" with is our shared ancestry and general location (city or state) if they share it. I can see "health reports" if the person has specifically opted to share it with me after "connecting".
What should it do? It should ask you to confirm the login with a configured 2FA
So… we are ignoring the 6+ million users who had nothing to do with the 14 thousand users, because convenience?
Not to mention, the use of “brute force” there insinuates that the site should have had password requirements in place.
Please excuse the rehash from another of my comments:
How do you people want options on websites to work?
These people opted into information sharing.
When I set a setting on a website, device, or service I damn sure want the setting to stick. What else would you want? Force users to set the setting every time they log in? Every day?
I admit, I’ve not used the site so I don’t know the answers to the questions I would need, in order to properly respond:
From the sounds of it, I doubt enough was done by the company to ensure people were aware of the risks. Because so many people were shocked by what was able to be skimmed.
I’m convinced that everyone pissed at the company for users reusing passwords has a reading comprehension problem because I definitely already answered your first question in the comment you responded to.
I haven’t used the service either - I don’t want more of my data out there. So I can’t answer the other questions.
Users were probably not thinking about the implications of a breach after sharing but it stands to reason that if you share data with an account, and that account gets compromised, your data is compromised.
We’ve all been through several of those from actual hacks at other companies (looking at you, T-Mobile). I refuse to believe people aren’t aware of this general issue by now.
It was credential stuffing. Basically these people were hacked in other services. Those services probably told them "Hey, you need to change your password because our database was hacked" and then they were like "meh, I'll keep using this password and won't update my other services that this password and personally identifiable information about myself and my relatives".
Both are at fault, but the users reusing passwords with no MFA are dumb as fuck.
That's not what "brute force" means.
Agreed.