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From https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/14phpbq/how_is_it_possible_that_roughly_50_of_americans/

Question above is pretty blunt but was doing a study for a college course and came across that stat. How is that possible? My high school sucked but I was well equipped even with that sub standard level of education for college. Obviously income is a thing but to think 1 out of 5 American adults is categorized as illiterate is…astounding. Now poor media literacy I get, but not this. Edit: this was from a department of education report from 2022. Just incase people are curious where that comes from. It does also specify as literate in English so maybe not as grim as I thought.

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[–] marionberrycore@lemmy.blahaj.zone 42 points 1 year ago (6 children)

One small part of the problem I only learned about recently is the Whole Language approach to teaching reading. Basically teaching kids to guess what words make sense instead of actually teaching them how to read. It was popularized in the 80s and 90s but continued to be used in some parts of the US into the 2010s. An entire chunk of the US population (and a few other countries as well) was literally not taught phonics/sounding it out because their teachers or schools followed this ineffective alternative method.

Of course that's far from the only factor, but it's one many aren't aware of.

[–] Steve@compuverse.uk 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That was me in the early 80s. It's why I took first grade twice.

I was lucky though. My mother just happened to be a remedial reading teacher. So after she tried every other option, she broke down and finally tried phonics. That was the missing piece. it suddenly all made sense to me.

Turns out memorization is my biggest learning disability. It would be impossible for me to memorize thousands of words. But with some work, I could memorize the sounds of a couple dozen letters.

After that I was a reading machine.

Still can't spell for shit though. Been relying on spell check since the 3rd grade.

[–] OminousOrange@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well either you or spell check did a pretty decent job with that there post.

[–] Steve@compuverse.uk 10 points 1 year ago

It's a team effort.

[–] Mkengine@feddit.de 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As a European I don't even know what you mean, could you elaborate or provide further reading if possible?

[–] gorillakitty@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

If you're into podcasts, the series "Sold a Story" is really good.

[–] Spacemanspliff@midwest.social 10 points 1 year ago

Is THIS why hooked on phonics was such a big thing they pushed in the 90s?

[–] Methylman@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Wtf - was the intention to create a bunch of Shakespearean word-creators??

[–] toomanyjoints69@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That's enraging because there is a reason we have a phonetic alphabet and not cuneiform.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cuneiform was also at least partially phonetic.

[–] toomanyjoints69@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Woah. Thats really cool and I always assumed they were just hieroglyphs but older. Is there anything else u know about them? You sound really cute and knowledgable UwU

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Haha. I'm not hugely knowledgeable about cuneiform, I'm not an archaeologist or anything. Actually, I only know that because I have a friend who is learning to write it because he's a fun weird guy.

[–] toomanyjoints69@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago

What a cool guy

[–] cheeseblintzes@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

We love fun, weird friends that learn fun, weird things. :)

[–] theamigan@lemmy.dynatron.me 3 points 1 year ago

This scares the crap out of me. My daughter's mother and I both went to the same preschool, where phonics was drilled into our heads from age three. Our 4-year-old daughter is now learning how to read, and she is not learning phonics. We are taking upon ourselves to make sure that she is exposed to phonics as much as possible this summer before school tries to hopelessly mangle her reading skills. I've already noticed her pointing out text and saying what they say, but it's obvious she just looked at context clues like a picture to figure it out and didn't actually read it.