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[Discussion] Pre-emptive Threads defederation (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by ruplicant@sh.itjust.works to c/agora@sh.itjust.works

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Should sh.itjust.works preemptively defederate from Threads?

Threads is the not-so-new ~~reddit-like~~ twitter-like public forum platform by Meta, the same commercial company behind internet behemoths like Facebook, Instagram and Whatsapp. They're working on ActivityPub integration so that they can bridge (federate?) with the fediverse. As far as I know, the focus is on Mastodon instances, but in the future that could include Lemmy instances too.

Some have raised the question, worried about the future of the fediverse or even claiming that it goes against its definition.

What do you think should be done?

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EDIT.2: The Vote is on! Go make your voice heard. You have until Friday the 29th.

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[–] AbackDeckWARLORD@sh.itjust.works 5 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I don't get the point of pre-emptively de-federating. This would allow lemmy to have a wider reach amongst a general audience rather than be a niche community. We should only defederate after seeing if it's a problem or not to be federated with them.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

What are the concrete reasons a wider reach would be better? Are there any other reasons why it would be better to have them or not?

[–] AbackDeckWARLORD@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

It offers a completely different perspective than what people on lemmy provide, which is usually people in the tech sector. So many smaller subreddits exist on reddit because of it's wider reach. Look at !sewingrepairing@sh.itjust.works for example, the last post in "hot" was from a month ago, current numbers on lemmy just can't sustain smaller subs like that.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I don't mean this in a rude way, but shouldn't you hang there then?

[–] AbackDeckWARLORD@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I mean by that logic no one should be using lemmy then, we all should stay on Reddit. This instance was created due to Reddit corporate greed, not because Reddit had “normies”

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 months ago

Your logic seems to be:

I want all of threads content - Which we won't get because they can just look at us, not interact with us currently. Also, what content? It's going to be pretty bad.
I want all of the users to come in -Our instances are small and can be overwhelmed easily. They will do that easily just looking at it, it might end up being a constant ddos.

My logic

provide more content for people to look at for a year or two and then think about letting the companies like Meta in, who are known to be evil
we don't know how they plan to fuck with the fediverse, they are planning it though

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago

Here's my low int take: more people means more discussions, which is the whole reason we use this service in the first place

[–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

We've seen this multiple times before. This will not give Lemmy/Mastodon/whatever more reach, it will connect us to the metaverse and then after we have invested in it they will pull the rug. This is classic big tech vs OSS, using EEE to attack the competition.

Good news is this means they see us as a threat

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I don't see how they can get us invested in something that they can take away. The whole point of this system is that each instance fundamentally does not rely on a third party, right?

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 months ago

Do you really want to be the one testing how they're going to fuck with the system? This instance didn't update to .19 because they wanted the bugs out. I don't think we know yet how much and how hard meta is going to try and use our system and/or break it.

[–] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 months ago

Completely agree. If it is really an issue, we can always defederate later.