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[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 12 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Without arguments like these in 2016, women in the south would still be able to have abortions. If you want change, find local elections with candidates you agree with. Their campaigns typically pay well, in my experience, or you can volunteer if the pay doesn’t matter to you. It’s more fruitful than throwing your hands in the air and shouting about disenfranchisement.

[–] Zehzin@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Without arguments like these in 2016, women in the south would still be able to have abortions

Yeah the blame for them never codifying Roe into law, their carcass in the supreme court refusing to retire, them running a terrible candidate against the will of their own voters and that candidate running an awful campaign is the fault of... people arguing on the internet

[–] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Hillary Clinton was a poor candidate. Why is it that the neo liberals never want to give her any amount of credit for her loss?

[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

People just want human rights, you egg salad. Try not to ruin that for everyone and I won’t call you a smelly foodstuff on the internet again.

[–] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I do too, which was why I fiercely advocated for literally any other candidate in 2016. I held my nose and voted for her, but I absolutely called it. Too many people just ignored the base, and it bit all of us in the butt.

[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

She did win the popular vote, for whatever good that does us. But what prevented a Clinton presidency was Russia seeding propaganda about her on the internet topped off with the FBI being used as a political tool. The 2016 Green Party candidate flying off to Russia last year is still a funny little sign of how absolutely fucked we are when it comes to asymmetrical information warfare.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

She did win the popular vote, for whatever good that does us

It does us absolutely none. Congratulations on getting your second choice.

[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works -1 points 11 months ago

…Yeah. That’s what “for whatever good that does us” means.

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol -5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Without arguments like these in 2016, women in the south would still be able to have abortions.

What the heck? What's the logic on that? People pointing out bad candidates is why they lost? Like seriously how on earth do you blame the weather man for the rain?

Seriously though I point out that blindly refusing to interact with conversation that makes people uncomfortable means not being prepared and the response was that this caused large standing issues with the governmental bodies that have been plaguing this country for longer than a single election?

2016 wasn't the sole deciding factor and everyone is being very emotional and really fucking stupid in here. The push to volunteer is a really good one but doesn't just make up for the idea that people talking are the issue. The share of ideas and push for betterment is necessary and sticking fingers I your ears and blindly blaming anyone that tries to point it out makes you just as fucking blind and ignorant as the people you call lesser.

It's really fucking pathetic. It's like being mad at a doctor who tells you to stop eating sugar cause you are diabetic.