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Idk, the state didn't call it eugenics when they forced me to get steralised to transition. I didn't even want kids but I'm still mad about it.
In the netherlands they apologized and are giving trans people affected money over this, doubt it applies to you (if it does you obv already knew) but yes it was fucked up.
Australia, nsw mandates bottom surgery before document changes (or did back then at least). amusingly the federal government was much more lenient. The state is a federation though so states trump federal except where they have ceded power.
Technically I could have preserved cells for IVF or something but I'm not, and definitely wasn't then, a millionaire.
Also since the law goes back before that was possible obvious eugenics is obvious.
I'm glad other nations are trying to make ammends in the beady-eye'd way of bean counters at least. Given that almost every traffic light here has surveillance cameras mounted on it and major political parties attend literal mask off Nazi rallies I suspect we're a way off over here haha.
Yeah don't look up recent events in .nl if you think we are not going far right over here as well. I think dutch trans people lucked out that the apology and money was done before the transphobic madness could come over from the UK. (It is in full swing here right now, it is crazy how often I see thing here which I saw a year or more happen in the UK or USA (same with politics, we had a satanic panic ritual abuse thing recently))
Yikes dawg. Don't you guys have multi member seats in your legislative gov though? hopefully that protects a bit :/ Like they usually need to form a coalition to govern right?
You would think that, but the conservative liberals, conservative centrist christians, conspiratorial farmers all seem to want to work together with Wilders, and for an important and meant to be neutral and devoid of any open party affiliation we picked an anti-semite (of the Soros type). (It remains to be seen how bad this is, for previous people of their position the importance of the position overruled their party affiliation, but I don't have much faith in new right people holding onto decorum).
And atm they seem to be mostly arguing that a few things Wilders want are incompatible with our constitution (which isn't that strong, and well the job of the gov is also to change the constitution so I'm a bit worried they are worried about that, and not that wilders plans are horrible. A bit of a 'make sure your murders are legal!' situation). Granted they are saying 'the constitutional protections first, and after that we are going to argue about the specific things Wilders and we want, but still.
But yes, our multi member thing offers quite a bit of protections.
Similar in Sweden, the Sweden Democrats provide a voting bloc for the ruling "center"-right gov, but SD dictates policy and can avoid responsibility for the unpopular stuff.
Yeah that tends to work out very badly for the more centrist parties. Our centrist party d66 (they would call themselves left but lol, lmao. The weird right twitter people who seem to be very pro farmers also think they are left and blame them for everything, the reactions were quite disgusting) has often ruled with the conservative liberal VVD in the past and every time they rule they lose half their voters afterwards. I'm just amazed that is happens over and over.
oh yeah, and after bottom surgery you have to be "inspected" by two doctors aside from the surgeon. I fucking blocked that out lmao.
They really really don't want to risk a trans person that can breed.
Yeah it was uh, pretty degrading. I'm glad it's messed up to bystanders, as a few people have told me I was being dramatic by finding it offensively degrading. One doctor kicked me out of his office after I asked him to just sign it (after showing all the surgeon's documentation, scripts etc) for "insulting his professional ethics"
Fucking libs man, they'd line up to get recorded for a purge if the form looked official enough.
libs: oh, no, we don't do reflexive groveling to power. we do reflexive groveling to power that has paperwork
jesus fuck. institutionalized transphobia is as ugly as it is nonsensical. I can’t even twist my brain into the shape required to imagine what possible justification some lying fascist fuckwit dreamed up for subjecting you or anyone else to this type of shit