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When Jews lived there in period of Judah and Israel, was that also European colonization?
Let's not forget that Muslims conquered this region, it wasn't magically peacefully obtained. Was this not colonialism?
You are talking about shit that happened 1400 years ago. Such a flimsy and ridiculous excuse for expelling millions of Palestinians from their homes. The entitlement and religious extremism is incredible
How many years of Israeli occupation have to go by until it is no longer considered occupation and Israeli land? There has to be a dividing line between the expulsions 1400 years ago and that time where the land became Palestinian, no? Palestinians and Israelis (Jewish, Muslim, Christian, non-religious, etc.) have an equal claim to existence - many of those that want to disband the colonist state of Israel are also advocating genocide. Genocide doesn't always mean killing - it also means the destruction of national identity. It's obvious that a two state solution is necessary to stop and avoid future genocide of both peoples. "River to the sea" never meant coexistence and I think it's about time people stop advocating for a counter-genocide with that slogan.
I never said I support settlers or whatever they are doing in West Bank.
Oh, so given your opinion, can African Americans or Chinese Americans return to their respective continents, occupy an entire country by displacing its current population, and claim it as their ancestral land? How delusional.
And since when is “the period of Judah” an accurate historical reference point?
The Israelis were born and raised in Israel. Nobody is coming back from anywhere
Reactionary thinking like this is what lets colonizers and settlers continue to do what they're doing even in the modern day. A war 1400 years ago does not justify colonizing and slaughtering natives right now. Surely you can see how fucked up that is?
Theodor Herzl, founder of Zionism, knew this, and did not mince his words. He was simply racist, and saw it as bringing 'civilization' to barbarians as did the rest of Europe when they were colonizing and enslaving Africa and Asia:
That is exactly what's happening right now. All for European and US military and economic interests in the region.
Great, then we agree, Hamas killing innocents is in no way justified. Most of Gaza is under 18 years old. Not only were they not alive for the events of 1949, their parents most likely were not either.
Where did I say I support settlers?
You realize Gaza has been an open-air prison ever since, right? And you're trying to use the decreased life expectancy in Gaza from Israeli oppression to deny their right to fight back against colonizers? What the fuck?
Ah, yes, kill and rape to prove how right you are. See how that's working out for them
Two five star hotels isn't something you find in a prison.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Beach_Resort,_Gaza
Also 70% of jews in Israel, half the population are native jews not Europeans of any kind.
Of the 20% Arab population, as many that live in Gaza, 70% identify with Israel over Palestine. A historic high that increased after weeks of war. Calling them colonizers is inaccurate and insulting levels of racism.
The life expectancy in Gaza was actually 75 years, whatever 40 number you saw is misinformation. They had an average amount of hospitals and medical clinics per capita. There's a lot of kids because people have a lot of kids. Why the population has ballooned.
They also managed to get phones and other resources in. Almost like it wasn't really a full blockade. Lots would go to work in Israel before the latest war.
Before the Zionist movement, Palestine was ruled first by the Ottomans and then the British. Prior to Zionism, the land held Christians (the latest bombardment destroyed the 3rd oldest Christian Church in the world), Muslims, and Jews. In fact the early Palestinian national movement considered Jewish Palestinians to be Palestinian and their demands them full rights in a secular state of Palestine.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Jews
Genetics, if that matters, shows that the pre-zionist natives of Palestine are closely related to European (Sepahrdic and Ashkenazi) Jews. Basically some people left centuries ago, but some people stayed.
Now since 1948 those that left want to kick out those that stayed, or kill them if they don't leave.
I still don't see the relevance, the whole region is a bunch of people conquering it