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[–] beeng@discuss.tchncs.de 108 points 11 months ago (3 children)

When you realise Hollywood is from the same country that held the microphone to the world for the last 80 years, repeating the same stories, over and over.

[–] MudMan@kbin.social 86 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

People outside the Anglosphere still have a different experience. I mean, the whole "UK refuses to give up, fights for what's right" bit is... not how that is played out elsewhere.

If you're from a big chunk of occupied Europe the narrative is more Star Wars-y. The Empire has won, it's about the plucky resistance. Only a lot more bleak. If you're from Northern Africa... probably no good guys in this one. If you're in Spain it's more of a Game of Thrones. It starts in 1936 and it ends in 1975 after a very long timeskip before which a bunch of resistance fighters wait to take back their country holed up in the mountains and are betrayed by the US and UK because they worry about their ties to the soviets. If you're from China, the narrative doesn't have many people from Europe at all, but it sure has a whole lot of Japanese bad guys and an entire holocaust spin-off that somehow you never hear about.

They all get the Hollywood version of it, most people are at least told one alternative take at some point in their lives. I sometimes forget that's not the case with many things in the Anglosphere.

[–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Many major Star Wars main trilogy and prequel plotlines have real-world analogues.

  • Main trilogy plot line: French Resistance
  • Prequel plot line: Hitler's rise to power
  • Palpatine gaining emergency powers from the Senate: Reichstag Fire Decree
  • Dissolving the Old Republic and forming an empire: First French Empire, Augustus's rise to power as Roman emperor
[–] Nihilore@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Lucas is on record saying the OT was about the Vietnam war (in an interview he did with James Cameron I think)

[–] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I thought that was very specifically referring to the ground battle on Endor in RotJ, not the whole trilogy.

In other sources he says it's a nod to WW2 (the trench run inspired by the Dam Busters, etc.) with imperial visual elements directly lifted from WW2 German designs

[–] Nihilore@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

You might be right yeh, I’ve only seen a clip of it

[–] MudMan@kbin.social 6 points 11 months ago

I'd say you guys are missing the point or the big picture, but I knew what I was getting into. Nerd away, it's cool.

[–] Zoboomafoo@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

One of the episodes of Star Wars Visions was from a French animation studio and they very much emphasized that angle. It was great

[–] badcommandorfilename@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago

That's right - people who experienced WW2 would have been living a very different story.

It's only because it's been retold and edited and embellished over and over again that it fits our narrative arc so well.