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[–] blargerer@kbin.social 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's not a fiscal policy. A country or block of countries can be right about 1 thing and wrong about others.

[–] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It is though. Guess what the number one Argument made against migrants is.

[–] Alto@kbin.social 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

The number one argument made against migrants is whatever that person thinks sounds the least like "I'm just xenophobic"

[–] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Right but the politicians argument is always "our social system cant afford it". A fiscal argument.

[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That doesn't make it a fiscal policy

[–] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

If it relates to the governments expenditures then it is a fiscal argument. If the policy is based on such a fiscal argument then it is a fiscal policy.

[–] Alto@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

And if I spray paint some stripes onto my dog, a tiger I did not make. they can claim its about fiscal policy all they want, it rarely is

[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

You start out in 1954 by saying, “n!gger, n!gger, n!gger.” By 1968 you can’t say “n!gger”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “n!gger, n!gger.”

  • Lee Atwater, 1981

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/exclusive-lee-atwaters-infamous-1981-interview-southern-strategy/

[–] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Right so you agree that the fiscal policies and anti-migration laws targeting specific races are inextricably linked?

[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

This is "states rights" levels of pedantic, incorrect stubbornness.

What they wrote down into law was fiscal, but just saying "fiscal policy" completely ignores the whole context to an absurd abstract degree, and this is intentional.

[–] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The discussion originally was about how the fiscal policies in European countries are good even though they have racist migration laws, I wanted to show that this is a fiscal policy too, as in they absolutely have racist fiscal policy.

I believe we are on the same side here.

[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If we're on the same side, stop taking the other side at their word by calling it "fiscal policy".

[–] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

If someone says to me that the racist policies and the fiscal policies are different, when they arent, I think its important to stress that some of the racist policies and in fact most of them, are fiscal.

I am not trying to diminish a racist policy by calling it fiscal, I'm trying to highlight that some of the fiscal policies are racist. And that that the European liberal model is inextricably tied to racism, because some people here want to export european fiscal policies to the US in the hopes of fighting injustice but they would be copying racist policies that would still perpetuate injustice.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee -2 points 11 months ago

Seems to be that they're not integrating here and creating a parallel society and increase in crime.