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Which games are the worst offenders for letting you upgrade a character/inventory only to lose it all part way through the game. (alien.top)

submitted 9 months ago by TapTapTapTapTapTaps@alien.top to c/gaming@level-up.zone

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I am playing Horizon Zero Dawn and haven’t gotten to the first main event, but it gives me this feeling like if I upgrade all my equipment now it might be for nothing. I know that is not the case, I looked it up, but what are some games that are the worst offenders? One I can think of is Aerith in the original FF7.

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[–] Fangscale40K@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (8 children)

You do get them back later on, but the newest Fire Emblem Engage has this rings mechanic where each unit gets a ring that contains the spirit of a warrior from one of the previous Fire Emblem games, powers up your unit, etc.

I really mapped it out on my starting run, only to lose all of the rings in like Chapter 10. I can sort of see why the game would do this because like I said you do get them back, but it’s frustrating when a game just takes your momentum away.

[–] Kmann725@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The way they went about taking the rings was also really stupid.

[–] SupplyChainMismanage@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

And then the way you get them back, along with your time rewind crystal thing, is also stupid. Like… is everyone some ultimate thief? “HAHA I STOLE THIS… WAIT THEY STOLE IT BACK?!”

[–] dpitch40@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

I immediately lost my will to keep playing when I realized I wasn't getting them back after chapter 11.

[–] WhichEmailWasIt@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Sort of see? It's fantastic. It gives you the opportunity to learn the 6 new ones afterwards in a vacuum and allows you to be fully understand the bad guys new powers since you've been using them yourself this whole time.

[–] Forever_Man@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

This is honestly why I never finished Engage

[–] JumpingCoconut@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

You should give it another try, the moment you get them back is so awesome and you have a lot of new rings too.

[–] sekretagentmans@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The first few chapters after 10 are fairly frustrating, but I honestly think that the second half is where the game shines.

The first set of rings are straightforward. Most of them just give you a special attack. The later rings force you to really understand and exploit the game's mechanics. They're harder to use, but it feels far more satisfying when you succeed with them.

[–] _kcsv_@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Corrin has to be my favourite with how creative you can get with her

[–] dpitch40@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Same for me./

[–] _BlaZeFiRe_@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

As someone who recently got the rings back, I agree. But damn it feels good to have them back and use the reacquired emblems/rings to get more skills for the characters.

[–] Heavy_Arm_7060@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Especially with how good some of those rings are. Lief in particular is a very helpful way to get gold, and of course Sigurd has his amazing Canto ability.

[–] Chromboed@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Leif good

With all do respect, I don't think many people would agree with you on this one.

[–] Heavy_Arm_7060@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Why? Engage Skill nets you 1,000 gold, Adaptable helps you get out of potentially screwing yourself by equipping a certain weapon (not guaranteed of course, but helpful), the Knife skills make him great for Yunaka in particular, has vantage, and can teach a lot of weapon proficiencies. Not the best actual combat unit, but super utilitarian, especially with the gold thing.

[–] jbucksaduck@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

It's only use is getting Anna to max Luck and converting her to Thief for easier money farming. Which, imo, is really good if you're doing a slower run or really taking time on hardest difficulty.

In terms of power? Awful lol

Overall I think it's a good ring as you end up with more rings then you need anyways.

[–] shadowhawkz@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Not a bad emblem, just the weakest relative to the other extremely powerful emblems.

[–] Chromboed@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Fair points, I'm just asking that the community consensus is that he's the worst emblem in the game. I kind of think that, too, but I still think he's okay.

The actual best early game emblem (other than Sigurd) is Micaiah. Augment increase the age of warp/rewarp/rescue staves from 1 tile to 5, which opens up some crazy strategies. You can even warp the user if they're in the area of affect!

[–] Awesalot@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

The gameplay effect is that it gives you a very tense and surprisingly difficult fight that really tests you and matches the situation well.

I can see why people would find it annoying (because skill inheritance is painfully slow and some rings have abilities you want on pretty much everyone) but I really liked that they went there. The story justification for how you lose the rings is pretty stupid though, I agree with the other comment (u/Kmann725) on that.

[–] thatthingpeopledo@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

I liked that decision from a tactical perspective. The early rings were broken and losing them makes you realize how you may have been depending on them. It was a solid change up to take them away.

It sucked from a planning perspective. You can’t get the abilities on those rings again until you’re very deep into the game.