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Every single one of them are needlessly -- absolutely needlessly and to their own great detriment -- participating in atrocity against thinking, feeling creatures who once had the capacity to love them. There's no question of balance. Everyone loses.
I agree I think they are on a poor trajectory. I can’t see how calling them evil and disgusting is going to change their behaviour. We’ve done that. It doesn’t seem to work. If anything they wear it as a badge of pride because they don’t believe a word of what we are saying. I can only see a solution of showing patience and compassion to those who have been misled and being resolute in calling out the bullshit from the people using them. If we can reach the ones who are good and have been misled more might wake up after them. There will be no possibility of a majority or power and their party will be forced to change or cease to exist. And you’re right everyone loses. Do you want everyone to lose or do you want to be the bigger person. It sucks but there’s no fire with fire. It’s a race to the bottom and we’re already on our way
You read that in.
Sorry, what are you saying?
You read "calling them evil and disgusting" into the text. It was not there.
That was not my intention. I suppose after reading everyone’s comments that was the general vibe I was getting from most people. I apologise if that was not this individual comments intentions.
It's just been you and me, man. If you go back and try to re-interpret, I think you can see my view that the people we label "good" and "bad" are more a reflection of our human or selfish needs of them than of their moral worth. We need to see the people around us, especially those we are emotionally attached to, as good even though by an objective standard, they are all likely actively participating in atrocity and pretending they are not. Being seen as "good" has more to do with moral fashion than actually working towards some set of values from first principles.
Ok so I’m on the same page now, I think when you wrote the are horrifically cruel and violent towards innocent creatures is where I read in the evil and disgusting. Tbh I’m not sure how being horrifically cruel and violent towards innocent creatures isn’t evil and disgusting. Still I’m making a lot of assumptions. Can you clarify by what you mean by being horrifically cruel and violent towards innocent creatures? Is there a particular event or policy or is it a generalisation, if it’s a generalisation can you point me to some examples, thanks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQRAfJyEsko
Please be careful. If you watch this, it has the potential to cause you trauma. But this is the reality most people carefully ignore.
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This is a good doco. And you are right that the reality is people just don’t care enough to keep it in the front of their brain. I do have a question though. If intelligence is the criteria for whether or not it’s cruel to kill or harm another life form, would it be considered better to kill a less intelligent animal over a more intelligent one?