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so we should just ignore Hamas's war crimes because Israel bad.
We should ignore Hamas's focus on killing jews specifically? Israel is bad, sure, but every time I start to think that maybe Hamas could be dealt with equitably they go and murder civilians. Just like the Israelis do.
I feel sorry for the Palestinians not aligned with Hamas, they're the real victims in all this.
That's not what he said
then spell it out sparky, what is he saying? it's word salad prevarication as far as I can tell. Hamas needs to stop murdering the people trying to support palestine.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/10/world/middleeast/peace-activists-killed-israel.html
Yeah you really sound like someone who wants to have a good faith discussion. I'll pass.
You sound like someone excusing the murder of innocent people as long as they're israeli.
Enjoy your imaginary conversation
Again scope and focus: IDF minister, "There will be no electricity, no food, and no fuel, everything will be closed. We are fighting against human animals and will act accordingly.” This is the genocidal rhetoric.
Hamas is fighting a war within a prison where the guards are defacto Israelis. Who the fuck else would they announce that they would be fighting for freedom?
Israel is in complete control over this entire conflict, their actions dictate the reactions from those they indefinitely hold in concentration camps. Do I want both sides to stop killing each other? Yes! But it requires bigger decisions by those in control otherwise the status quo remains and in a year or 5 we'll see this same type of senseless killing/genocide again like the last 70 years.
scope and focus? did you not see the children murdered by hamas? the pregnant women? for fuck's sake get some perspective. they're all killing innocents. they're all murdering third party bystanders. And until religion goes away, it's never going to stop.
You'll be happy to know I'm pissing off both sides, who see any discussion of responsibility on all participants as the* true evil.* Because it takes two parties to fight, but somehow Hamas is the victim here.
Frankly I'm tired of it all; pissant people with their religious conflict over land some asshat decided was 'the holy land' because their religious grift got out of control and now it's gotta be a 'holy war' because they all believe their fucking invisible friends are real and there's some paradise waiting after murdering people - settlers, jihadists, what's the difference? THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THEIR OWN INNOCENTS, why should the rest of the world?
The middle east lacks the imagination to see beyond the next murder, because it's never their fault, it's always the other guy, so let's just continue the killing right?
get fucked, maybe you just deserve each other's horrible company.
No, I am not saying that and see such misdirections as not constructive. It is a matter of focus and scale. Focus on the power structure that creates conditions upon which Hamas is formed and persists: Israeli occupation, destruction, and genocide of Palestine. The scale of the death of civilians on both sides demonstrates how Israel continues to create the conditions. I vehemently disagree with killing civilians but the civilian death count on Israel's side is exponentially larger than Hamas' and perpetuates the conflict, among others.
keep killing the civilians who were supporting your cause, that'll help.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/10/world/middleeast/peace-activists-killed-israel.html
Back at ya.